Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2014 Granatkin Memorial


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The result was   delete and redirect to Granatkin Memorial. Salvio Let's talk about it! 12:20, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

2014 Granatkin Memorial

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Non-notable youth tournament with very little reliable sources and no prose, WP:NOTSTATS applies here. Winner of individual tournaments should be noted on Granatkin Memorial parent article. Separate pages are not required. JMHamo (talk) 14:06, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

I am also nominating the following article for the same reason given above.




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 * Delete - per WP:NOTSTATS. Tournament itself seems notable enough, particularly as created by FIFA president, but not sure there is really significant, reliable coverage on individual seasons beyond WP:ROUTINE and stats. Fenix down (talk) 14:29, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
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 * Delete - no evidence of notability, fails WP:GNG and WP:NSEASONS. GiantSnowman 18:38, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Strong keep. This is a youth association football tournament which traditionally features invited national teams composed of U-17/U-18/U-19 players. Please see: rsssf.com --► Cekli 829  07:42, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment - RSSSF is just a stats website. Where are the reliable sources providing significant discussion to enable to production of sourced prose? Fenix down (talk) 11:58, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
 * The RSSSF (Rec.Sport.Soccer Statistics Foundation) is an international amateur organization dedicated to collecting statistics about association football. The foundation aims to build an exhaustive archive of football-related information from around the world. In addition, this tournament is very famous. There are also products on the tournament philatelic:
 * File:Covers of the SU - Valentin A. Granatkin Memorial International Youth Football Tournament 1986.jpg
 * File:Covers of the SU - Valentin A. Granatkin Memorial International Youth Football Tournament 1987.jpg
 * File:Covers of the SU - Valentin A. Granatkin Memorial International Youth Football Tournament 1988.jpg
 * File:Covers of the SU - Valentin A. Granatkin Memorial International Youth Football Tournament 1989.jpg
 * I would ask you to consider. --► Cekli 829  18:08, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
 * How do stamps issued for the 1986-89 editions of the tournament support notability for the 2014 and 2011 editions. You seem to be arguing that the tournament is notable. Again I say, no one is debating that here, what is being challenged is the extent to which the two seasons noted above are notable enough for individual articles. Fenix down (talk) 09:36, 5 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Strong keep. Famous annual international youth tournament. One of the top-competitions for youth teams in Eastern Europe. There is enough press coverage. NickSt (talk) 12:52, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Where? Please show significant reliable coverage that is not WP:ROUTINE match reporting / stat dumps. Nobody is discussing the notability of the tournament itself, merely that there is no need for individual season articles on an invite only friendly tournament for youth players unless significant reliable coverage that can be used to generate sourced prose sufficient to pass GNG can be found. Fenix down (talk) 13:07, 4 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Granatkin Memorial - while the tournament in itself would be notable, I don't see the need for having individual articles for each staging when it is about a tournament that has received limited coverage. Mentoz (talk) 12:49, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
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