Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2014 Rosh Hashanah Terror Tunnel Plot


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The result was Delete. Michig (talk) 06:28, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

2014 Rosh Hashanah Terror Tunnel Plot

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This story has only one original source: anonymous statements in a Maariv article. All other articles referring to this story refer back to the Maariv article. It has not been picked up in any other mainstream Israeli media outlet, and no IDF or other official Israeli source has publicly acknowledged a Rosh Hashanah plot.

With one (weak) source, this is essentially WP:NOTNEWS unless it can be better verified. Jprg1966  (talk)  06:39, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete per nominator unless much better sourcing is produced. Wikipedia is not a cracked crystal ball. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  06:48, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete or Merge to appropriate Gaza war article Palestinian tunnel warfare in the Gaza Strip without prejudice to re-creating if sufficient sources come to light. Coretheapple (talk) 13:28, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I created this article last week on the assumption that a just-breaking story would soon be substantiated. That has not happened. I am happy to follow CoretheApple's suggestion that it be taken down without prejudice if substantiation emerges.ShulMaven (talk) 14:06, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Is there a procedure whereby I just, you know, remove it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ShulMaven (talk • contribs) 14:07, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
 * If you created the article, you can simply identify yourself as such and say that you agree with merger or deletion. I think merger is best, to retain the information, and it can be added to the Gaza article that this newspaper Maariv reported the supposed attack plan. It can be added (I just found this) that Arutz Sheva quoted Zev Elkin, Chairman of the Knesset Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee,saying "Elkin also could not confirm rumors of a 'mega terror attack' Hamas terrorists had been planning, possibly for Rosh Hashana, in which hundreds of terrorists would slip into Israel and begin slaughtering people." Coretheapple (talk) 14:17, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I can merge it into the Hamas attack tunnels article that I am working on now, and re-separate the material if further substantiation of the Rosh Hashanah plot emerges.ShulMaven (talk) 14:20, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I would suggest adding the material (excluding the stuff from the mirror sites) over to that article. Then the best thing would be to simply do a redirect. Not sure if doing the redirect right now would be appropriate. There is certainly no urgent need to delete this article, as it relates to a news event that at some point might become notable. All it takes is a few more independent sources. Coretheapple (talk) 15:49, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I notice that the article linked above was redirected. That's questionable, as the subject has received voluminous coverage in the media. Coretheapple (talk) 15:51, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
 * That's true. Enough coverage (in Hebrew) the coverage in reliable media is ongoing.ShulMaven (talk) 17:03, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
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 * Delete. For reasons above, but also because this is a speculative story about a hypothetical future event spu out in the midst of a war that involves propaganda from both sides. The tunnels, according to the latest Israeli intelligence assessments, appear to be means of abducting soldiers, not attacking civilians, as one would expect from past experience and military readings, despite a huge amount of press reportage talking of them as 'terror tunnels' aimed at civilians. I don't think it should be 'merged' unless the information gets a securer footing in mainstream sources either. Those of us who remember other wars with inflammatory declarations of incipient plots that never took place look at such reports very warily, and wait for real world assessments to come in. Nishidani (talk) 15:43, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Remove I wrote this article at a time when this appeared to be a developing story. I now have information that the story in Ma'ariv, a reputable Israeli Daily, resulted form misinterpretation of preliminary intelligence reports (misinterpretations happen in wartime). I would like to take the article down.ShulMaven (talk) 12:22, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete. This should be speedied, Seriously, an "alleged plan" coming in the middle of present Gaza crisis?  There is absolutely nothing to be saved here. Huldra (talk) 16:55, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Wait This story is still breaking. I'm going to continue to edit the article, as reliable sources continue to come in. In accord with  dozens of Wikipedia articles about thwarted terror plots.ShulMaven (talk) 23:05, 30 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete Blatant war-time propaganda. WP:NOTNEWS --Sloane (talk) 23:59, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete as SPAM. Stuartyeates (talk) 08:39, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
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