Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2014 White House fence jumper


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The result was   merge to White House intruders. Stifle (talk) 10:00, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

2014 White House fence jumper

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WP:BLP1E and WP:NOTNEWS apply to this article right know. Nothing that White House intruders can't include is here. ©  Tb hotch ™ (en-2.5). 04:29, 1 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep/Comment as article creator: This incident received a lot of media coverage and is clearly notable. Just a handful of sources are posted on the article's talk page. Time would be better spent expanding the article than debating its deletion. See 2011 White House shooting for an example of what this article could look like. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 05:33, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

--- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:31, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
 * http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/10/22/white-house-fence-jumper/17747975/
 * http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-29738984
 * http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/white-house-intruder-taken-down-4490222
 * http://www.naij.com/309832-nigerian-dominic-adesanya-breaks-white-house-security.html
 * http://www.cbs.com/shows/cbs_evening_news/video/1Axys_wKYhXqMIy3xYr9NYMxN99lfdwA/guard-dogs-help-thwart-latest-white-house-fence-jumper/
 * http://seattletimes.com/html/nationworld/2024856389_whitehousedogsxml.html
 * http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/latest-white-house-jumper-had-similar-incident-in-july-had-mental-evaluation/2014/10/23/c4f28df0-5ac0-11e4-8264-deed989ae9a2_story.html
 * http://www.wjla.com/articles/2014/10/dominic-adesanya-white-house-fence-jumper-charged-with-assault-108366.html
 * http://www.ibtimes.com/white-house-fence-jumper-dominic-adesanya-mentally-ill-father-says-1711114
 * http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/10/23/358378504/second-white-house-fence-jumper-had-been-arrested-before
 * http://www.wbaltv.com/news/nbc-news-reports-white-house-fence-jumper-is-from-harford-county/29291040
 * http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/10/23/white-house-fence-jumper-has-mental-health-issues-dad-says/
 * http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/221615-7-charges-for-alleged-wh-fence-jumper
 * http://documents.latimes.com/dominic-adesanya-complaint/
 * http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2014/10/23/white-house-dogs-return-to-duty-after-fence-scuffle/
 * http://bigstory.ap.org/article/772e3827610f48439428e1f7f2074731/man-apprehended-after-jumping-white-house-fence
 * http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/white-house-jumper-dominic-adesanya-ordered-by-judge-to-mental-health-facility-for-evaluation-and-treatment/2014/10/27/3127e16e-5e0e-11e4-9f3a-7e28799e0549_story.html
 * http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/white-house-fence-jumper-deemed-incompetent
 * http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/27/politics/white-house-fence-jumper-outburst/
 * http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/white-house-intruder-dominic-adesanya-forcibly-removed-court-article-1.1989003
 * http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/accused-white-house-fence-jumper-dominic-adesanya-shouts-court-n234956
 * http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-white-house-jumper-20141028-story.html
 * http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/1036138-dominic-adesanya-idd-as-white-house-fence-jumper-instagram-photos/
 * http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/dominic-adesanya/
 * http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/judge-orders-latest-white-house-fence-jumper-held-without-bond/
 * http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/27/white-house-fence-jumper-court_n_6056602.html
 * http://www.cbsnews.com/news/latest-white-house-fence-jumper-has-courtroom-outburst/
 * http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2810083/Accused-White-House-intruder-dragged-court-ruled-incompetent.html
 * http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Dominic-Adesanya-23-Deemed-Not-Competent-for-Trial-After-Jumping-White-House-Fence-280554332.html
 * http://www.wjla.com/articles/2014/12/dominic-adesanya-white-house-fence-jumper-to-appear-in-d-c-court-110034.html


 * BLP1E explains why "[receive] a lot of media coverage" is not warrant for an article and "clearly notable" hardly (really hardly) is explained by the current article. I didn't know the article was still in development. I arrived through the Category:Biography articles without listas parameter. At first I thought to open an RM, as the whole article was discussing Dominic Adesanya in the event itself (you have edited it, but the whole page still being about Adesanya's incident). But even if moved, it was still about Adesanya in a single event. Solely because 2011 White House shooting is a good article, doesn't mean 2014 White House fence jumper has equal notability (and the 2011 incident, in my view, is also a violation of WP:BLP1E and WP:NOTNEWS, and it would be a counter-point if you FAC it). This is the White House, a high profile building that receives millions of visits yearly, incidents will happen in and outside of it. Sources obviously will report them as it is the residence of one of the most important Presidents in the world (regardless the name of the President that's living there), but that's it, it was just a fence jumper, no one was harmed, and all sources are/were/will be about 1) how he jumped, 2) why he jumped, 3) what happened to him, 4) what happened to other people inside White House (if something really happened) and (in this case) 5) Adesanya's mental health. Search "Kid asks" in the White House in Google and you will also receive coverage: Does these kids' "20Q" deserve a Wikipedia page? No. Does this event need a Wikipedia page? No. White House intruders can easily contain this incident, and other similar incidents can be explained further as well.   ©   Tb hotch ™ (en-2.5). 06:33, 1 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete – There was more than one person who scaled the White House fence last year (at least four, plus a toddler who got away from his parents), so the article title is ambiguous at best. This incident also received far less press and was far less controversial than Omar Gonzalez (who actually entered the East Room). WP:BLP1E, WP:NOTNEWS, and WP:GNG certainly apply. This incident really deserves nothing more than what is already on White House intruders. — Jkudlick t c s 06:37, 1 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete WP:NOTNEWS and WP:BLP1E.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 10:20, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
 * You are welcome to suggest a more appropriate article title, but I think if disambiguation is the goal we should only make that an issue if another article is created about a 2014 "fence jumping" incident. There is also an article for Omar J. Gonzalez at 2014 White House intrusion, which also needs to be expanded. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:08, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
 * The article title isn't in question, as the article is not notable.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 18:03, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I think he answered the wrong person. ©   Tb hotch ™ (en-2.5). 21:34, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions.  Everymorning   talk  12:58, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions.  Everymorning   talk  12:58, 1 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep - Notability is not temporary because a story is less covered over time. per WP:NOTTEMPORARY.--BabbaQ (talk) 13:32, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
 * NOTTEMPORARY says: "In particular, if reliable sources cover the person only in the context of a single event, and if that person otherwise remains, or is likely to remain, a low-profile individual, we should generally avoid having a biographical article on that individual." Despite the name of the page, it still being about Adesanya. ©   Tb hotch ™ (en-2.5). 20:59, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Washington, D.C.-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 21:01, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
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 * Keep - This is clearly notable for Wikipedia and gained International attention. I don't think there should even be a deletion discussion about this, the article should be kept.  CookieMonster755  (talk)   21:23, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Joseph Clifford Reel, Leland William Modjeski, Robert W. Pickett, Pamela Morgan, Catalino Lucas Diaz, etc. Are you really suggesting we should create a page every time somebody unauthorized enters the White House? ©   Tb hotch ™ (en-2.5). 21:34, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
 * If the entries generate as much coverage as this one did, then yes. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:19, 1 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment - Tbhotch, in nominating this article for deletion are you taking into consideration that one of the reasons it received so much media attention is because the incident occurred shortly after secret Service director Julia Pierson resigned following several other White House incidents? And that numerous sources comment on the timing and ongoing concerns of security (which can be covered in 'Background' and 'Aftermath' sections in the article) rather than just the incident of a man jumping over a fence?
 * While I have your attention, I am the main contributor and good article nominator for 2011 White House shooting. I'm bothered by the fact you think it may be a BLP1E and NOTNEWS violation, as I do intend to nominate it for FAC eventually. Did you take into consideration that three years after the event occurred, a thorough report on the issue generated just as much (if not more) media coverage, and that said report was cited as one of the reasons Julia Pierson resigned? This 'one event' had major consequences and coverage several years later. I'm curious, what's your opinion on the article 2009 U.S. state dinner security breaches, and the other three 'successful' articles listed at White House intruders? Freikorp (talk) 23:25, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I frankly doubt this event gained "so much media attiention" due to Pierson's resign. I posted five different people above, and all have thousand of hundreds of GHits (including false positives). As I said above, it is simply because this is the White House (by "White House" I mean "Government of the US" not "The White House" as a building). If something so trivial, absurd or polemic happens with the Government is news worthy (during election time these situations get even more attention). My opinion regardless the name or situation (call it "2009 U.S. state dinner security breaches" or "2011 White House shooting", or etc.) is similar, the articles are giving too much attention to an US-related issue that lasted one day, that hardly impacted in the US history, and the references only work as a place where you can verify that somebody did something at the White House (they can be 10/20/100). These articles will not have the same releance or impact as an assassination attempt or something similar. The only article that in my view is relevant is "2014 White House intrusion", and not because of Gonzalez's intrusion, but because Gonzalez made another non-related felony. He doesn't apply to BLP1E anymore and in fact the article should be called "Omar J. Gonzalez". Another issue, as I said above and Believer said "Yes", is that "we should create a page every time somebody unauthorized enters the White House [as long as they appear in multiple sources]". With this we are basically inciting people that want a Wikipedia page (or in general be famous) to jump the White House's fences or enter to it. Being realistic they would be a few, but remember John Hinckley, Jr.'s motivation to kill Reagan. There's nothing here (now) that can't be posted at White House intruders, and that page has potential to be a featured list if someones works in it.  ©   Tb hotch ™ (en-2.5). 05:29, 4 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Merge to White House intruders, per NOTNEWS. Carrite (talk) 19:13, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete (or merge if anything significant is not at the combined article yet). WP:NOTNEWS - this received lots of coverage for one day, clearly failing WP:PERSISTENCE. WP:NOTTEMPORARY does not apply as notability would have to exist in the first place for that to kick in. –Roscelese (talk &sdot; contribs) 15:26, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I am probably just supposed to let people state their opinions and not respond, but I should point out that this incident did not just receive coverage for one day. Much information has been published about his previous threats, his background and mental history, his court appearances, etc., not to mention indirect connections to the string of White House intrusions of recent. I've seen Wikipedia articles with much less detail than this story received, and so far the article only draws information from a handful of the many sources which discuss the incident. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:39, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
 * NOTNEWS is the worst of all guidelines.. as Wikipedia is based on news. Wikipedia is news source based.--BabbaQ (talk) 19:54, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Sure, and NOTNEWS can often be countered with WP:GNG. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 20:22, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Besides, sources are not all about a single day's events. Some discuss his prior troubles, his court appearances, how this incident relates to a string of recent troubles involving Secret Service, the dogs and their return to duty, etc. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 20:01, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete no sign of notability - jumping a fence and having a bit of trouble with some police dogs doesnt pass the threshold. Being a fence to a notable place doesnt make the act notable. MilborneOne (talk) 18:52, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Recieving significant coverage in independent reliable sources does make the act notable. --Mr. Guye (talk) 19:49, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, § FreeRangeFrog croak 03:32, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Merge it's disturbing that so many editors in this kind of debate express their contempt for Wikipedia policy (WP:NOTNEWS). Nwlaw63 (talk) 06:33, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Merge Some guy jumped over the White House fence, was arrested and got a few days of media coverage as a result. The event had no lasting impact, and White House fence jumpers are honestly pretty common. Clear-cut case of WP:NOTNEWS. Spirit of Eagle (talk) 05:45, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep Has received significant coverage in independent reliable sources. --Mr. Guye (talk) 19:49, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete I can't think of a better example of ONEEVENT. p  b  p  04:18, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
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