Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2015–16 North American winter


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The result was delete. Courcelles (talk) 00:56, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

2015–16 North American winter

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With the exception of El Niño, there is little to go off, although the ongoing El Niño may soon warrant an article separately. Winter has not started in North America just because a single storm has occurred in Alaska. It was hard enough for me to convince other editors to adopt the idea of winter season articles, and I decided to wait until activity had already started to before creating article for 2014-15 so as to avoid starting out with a stub with bad and inconsistent formatting. There won't be official forecasts for a good month, and winter itself won't begin for several weeks after that in most areas. This article is unneeded, and it will amount to little more than speculation. The previous season's article wasn't created until December 21 and we survived without it, so I believe an article full of little more than speculation for multiple months is not of benefit to the encyclopedia. I am not making the claim that the topic will not become notable. I am saying it is clearly too early. Having an article two to two-and-a-half months in advance of anything of significance is WP:Too soon. If you think the El Niño is significant, maybe create an article for that, but at the current time, this subject is not of significance. When I first proposed the concept of North American winter articles, this was the very sort of thing I was trying to avoid. The average storm is not of significance; only all the storms together are enough to establish unquestionable significance. To create this article when there have been no storms and will be no storms for months is in contradiction with the proposal I originally spent so much time working out, with the winter storm events (especially the notable ones) being the points from which the seasonal articles receive their own notability. Dustin ( talk ) 20:12, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

An alternative might be to create a draft. It doesn't matter a huge amount where, so long as there is a way for people to know where it is. I think I created a draft somewhere a few weeks ago although I can't recall at the moment. Either way and regardless of where this hypothetical draft would be located, creating a draft wouldn't be as bad an alternative in my opinion. Dustin ( talk ) 20:51, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment It appears most of the stuff like this is people trying to pad out their article creation numbers. Yes, WP:TOOSOON, also WP:OR. It's an encyclopedia, we cover settled events not future ones.--Savonneux (talk) 21:24, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete as WP:TOOSOON, without prejudice against recreation in December — it isn't even fall 2015 yet as of today, let alone winter, so there's no reason on earth why we would already need this to exist now. If it's really important to the interested editors to have a preparatory article in place in advance of the commencement of winter, then they can do that in user or draft space. Bearcat (talk) 22:25, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete Snow? In Alaska? Well I'll be.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 06:52, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete - Winter is Coming, but it's not here yet. shoy (reactions) 14:47, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete - per WP:TOOSOON. Inks.LWC (talk) 03:04, 17 September 2015 (UTC)


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