Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2015 Hwaseong shooting


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Consensus is that this article can be expanded and/or renamed. (non-admin closure) sst✈  01:58, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

2015 Hwaseong shooting

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I don't see what makes this article globally notable. Redsky89 (talk) 21:16, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
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 * Delete, classic WP:NOTNEWS case. ansh 666 03:08, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm willing to reconsider that given the additional stuff found below, but I still think that given how this is either mentioned in routine news coverage or briefly in association with the SK law changes, it's not standalone notable. ansh 666 11:11, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Combination article involving both shootings sounds reasonable. ansh 666 06:48, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete While shooting incidents are extremely rare in Korea (yet, no reason for notability) and while this incident was very well covered by all major news reports (again, shooting incidents covered by routine news reports are also not enough reason for notability per Notability (events)), this particular shooting episode combined with another incident resulted in an unprecedented toughening of gun licensing by the police, including a never before heard move of gun tracking by GPS which is being mandated. If an article were to be perhaps made on "GPS monitoring of firearms", that might have notability. Not this article. Xender Lourdes (talk) 03:18, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Support 's . This article with its current name cannot be considered significantly notable, as this alone was not responsible for the GPS tracking regulation in Korea. However, doncram's workaround is quite impressively put. I'll summarise the same for the closing administrator – rename (move) the article to 2015 Sejong and Hwaseong shootings; allow the scope for a bigger article on GPS monitoring of firearms to be made, which could include global facets related to this area, like the United Nations call for GPS tracking of guns and firearms, or government reports analysing the feasibility of installing GPS in firearms, or calls for the same made by politicians globally like Rob Consalvo or Willie Cochran and many others. Xender Lourdes (talk) 03:34, 5 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep, per Xender Lourdes' "Delete" rationale, which explains why this event is significant. Sources exist. The proposed alternative name GPS monitoring of firearms is also okay...the article could be moved to that topic name and edit history maintained, but that is a "Keep" outcome. -- do  ncr  am  10:33, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I have revised the article using sources identified by Xender Lourdes. Actually I think it is best to expand the scope of this article to cover the the other shooting incident in Sejong City two days before, and probably rename it to =2015 Sejong and Hwaseong shootings, which would still be a "Keep". The GPS monitoring of firearms topic is a valid one that would link to this article, like it may link to other salient incidents in other countries that finally move politicians to act. This one is comparable perhaps to the Brady shooting and the Connecticut school shootings in the US that could have led immediately to gun control law changes also. do  ncr  am  16:40, 4 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Expand and rename -- as per doncram. Seems like a reasonable compromise, since adding the other shooting, combined with the licensing reform, does help lend notability to propel this beyond NOTNEWS. GABHello! 23:55, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. This event is significant by itself. Expanding the scope is a good idea. Pldx1 (talk) 08:31, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep, expand and rename as per User:doncram.E.M.Gregory (talk) 21:13, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep per . Parsley Man (talk) 04:19, 10 March 2016 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.