Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2015 Los Angeles Unified School District closure


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The result was redirect to Los Angeles Unified School District.  MBisanz  talk 14:02, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

2015 Los Angeles Unified School District closure

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Really this is too soon. Schools close all the time, yes there was a terrorist threat but Wikipedia is not a newspaper and this type of event does not warrant a standalone article. Mrfrobinson (talk) 23:02, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete/Redirect - "Too soon" is not a reason to delete an article but, I do agree this incident doesn't warrant a page of it's own at this point. A section at Los Angeles Unified School District would be sufficient.  Mlpearc  ( open channel ) 23:37, 15 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete - Just so you know as a BC native, my school got closed down for four month and why isn't there an Wikipedia article for that?Ueutyi (talk) 23:43, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment Was it closed because someone panicked when he receive a hoax threat via email?Edison (talk) 02:01, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Further Comment There is an inherent prejudice against articles about current news events. While it is likely chaos caused by a panicked school board (affecting 640,000 students), we don't know what is the true story yet.  It has been judged a hoax by the LAPD.  What we can justify is covering such a major event, hoax or not, because it clearly meets WP:GNG.  I'm avoiding a keep vote for now because I don't want to keep a junk article, but as future ramifications warrant, there is no reason for wikipedia to panic and remove it prematurely. Trackinfo (talk) 03:17, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
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 * PURGE WITH FIRE (Delete), absolutely not even close to passing WP:NEVENT, and not really a plausible search term. ansh 666 02:10, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete This had all the impact of your average snow day, only with media overhype behind this one and a different closing reason than usual. At best the one line at Los Angeles Unified School District is all that needs to be said about it unless something more comes out about bungled handling or the like.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 05:11, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Redirect to appropriate section of Los Angeles Unified School District. VMS Mosaic (talk) 05:40, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete. A false alarm with no evidence of WP:LASTING interest or effect. Already more than adequately covered with a two-sentence mention in the LAUSD article. • Gene93k (talk) 10:36, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep As the last editor to add content to the article I would like to apologize to the page creator for drawing attention to it. Ottawahitech (talk) 10:45, 16 December 2015 (UTC)please ping me
 * Delete. Complete non-event. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:23, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
 *  Keep or redirect - AFAIK, this is the first time in history that a threat like this has shut down an entire school district of over half a million people for an entire day. NYPD is criticizing the LAPD for overreacting, and this could potentially result in a change in policy.  However, if the article cannot be kept,, , , ,  and  should give a reason why it should not be redirected to "Los Angeles Unified School District" per WP:CHEAP. --Jax 0677 (talk) 14:23, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I have no problem with a redirect.  Mlpearc  ( open channel ) 17:22, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I already stated that I don't believe the current title to be a plausible search term. ansh 666 23:36, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Redirect or Smerge (slight merge) to Los Angeles Unified School District. It deserves a brief mention there. The news media worldwide considered it to be more important than one snow day in terms of the coverage it got. As Jax said, I cannot think of a large city ever shutting down the entire school system (with the lost pay of parents and the potential risks to children, and the possible cost of a additional school day, or loss of federal subsidies based on attendance) as the result of a threat which the New York authorities judged to be a crude hoax. This empowers any vandal worldwide who has access to the internet and some way of falsifying the originating IP. Edison (talk) 15:16, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep and expand. Easily meets the requirements under WP:NEVENT including WP:LASTING as it has extensive national and international news coverage and will undoubtedly be studied for the different approaches and responses to apparent terror threats by L.A. and New York officials, what's considered credible, etc. I guarantee for years to come this incident will be considered when future terror threats occur and officials have to make decisions.  Also there are a lot of aspects to consider including the economic impact of shutting down the districts which caused hundreds of thousands of parents & guardians to adjust their work schedule or take off work completely.  Raitchison (talk) 15:55, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Terrorism-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:16, 16 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete this is a total non-event, about as consequential as to whether a large school district calls a snow day, and it doesn't snow. Those who edit the school district article can determine whether this is important enough to list there. μηδείς (talk) 03:53, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep, sources suggest notability. Everyking (talk) 14:49, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep and continue to add content as investigation continues. This meets the requirements under WP:NEVENT for the reasons Raitchison mentioned and that there are a large number of recent bomb threats to schools in the news now that may have been inspired by this one. This article should be kept while the investigation of this and the other bomb threats continue and more information comes out. BoxOfChickens (talk · contribs · CSD/ProD log) 18:11, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
 * See https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=school+bomb+threat&tbm=nws.
 * Keep as per User:Raitchison,  and Note similarity to Articles for deletion/2015 Brussels lockdown, which was kept.E.M.Gregory (talk) 20:57, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Hardly equivalent. The lockdown of a whole capital city following a genuine and major terrorist incident as against closure of a city's schools because of a vague threat that wasn't taken seriously elsewhere. -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:48, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete/Redirect - To Los Angeles Unified School District as this article seems like a total mess and isn't very credible, and plain out seems like a news story.
 * Notes about the article - About the email, the two sentences contradict each other and with no further information it doesn't really seem necessary. With the death of the student Andres Perez, (I know its tragic and may he Rest in Peace) his death was an indirect event that happened and had nothing to do with the threat at all. If these threats happened often, the article is no more than a run of the mill, except this time there was wide-media coverage, but that doesn't make it news worthy of an article by itself. However this information could be used (with improvement) on the LAUSD page, rather than being its own article.  A dog 104  Talk to me 21:56, 17 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:NOTNEWS. This topic is not encylopaedic, and its inclusion in the encylopaedia is an example of WP:UNDUE weight caused by an over-adherence to the twenty-four news cycle on the part of some of our editors. We must remember the Wikipedia is not a news source, and writes with a long term significance in mind. This fails WP:EVENT. RGloucester  — ☎ 18:28, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Note that broad gauge perspectives: on this starting to appear, making the even loom more notable.E.M.Gregory (talk) 18:42, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
 * None of the other school closings mentioned by that article have articles, nor should this one. RGloucester  — ☎ 18:52, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
 * But what is the proper redirect target when we have a nationwide spate of school closures, each to the District? An article on American fears og terrorist attack in response to Paris and San Bernardino?  The phenomenon (faux threats, real threats, massive school closings) is real.E.M.Gregory (talk) 19:14, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
 * That's recentism, nothing else. We shan't know anything about a "phenomenon" of this sort for many years. History only becomes apparent after it has passed. You take a journalistic approach where a historical approach is needed. If a "phenomenon" of this sort is truly recorded in the history books in five years' time, then we can write an article on it. RGloucester  — ☎ 19:49, 18 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Los Angeles Unified School District. This course of action seems more sufficient for encyclopedic coverage of this event. Parsley Man (talk) 05:26, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Question Of course wikipedia is not a newspaper -- it does not allow original research. However, it does allow us to regurgitate information available on reliable sources, which this article has plenty of. As far as not news -- when is the last time participants here looked at In the news? If  I am missing something, please educate me. Thanks in advance,  Ottawahitech (talk) 03:18, 22 December 2015 (UTC)please ping me
 * wikipedias in the news covers major encyclopedic events with established notability. Not every world event belongs here nor is it appropriate to add every news story about notable events to pages. For example, adding so and so reported an event to a companies page isn't necessarily appropriate every time they are mentioned in the news. Mrfrobinson (talk) 05:17, 22 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Merge and redirect to Los Angeles Unified School District per RGloucester. Unencyclopedic at this point. --Regards, James(talk/contribs) 06:00, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete Maybe we could make a spin-off Wiki listing all school/public institution closures because of vague threats? Absolutely nothing here that can't be covered in Los Angeles Unified School District, and I'm not even sure if that is warranted per WP:NEWS. OhNo itsJamie Talk 15:39, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
 *  Comment - After reviewing the discussion, it seems that:
 * Vincent Canfield has been issued a subpoena
 * Cortines recently resigned as superintendent
 * More than one dozen additional schools and districts in the United States have received similar threats days AFTER this happened
 * An arrest has finally been made in New Mexico
 * KUTV published an article where numerous experts spoke in detail about how organizations can and should respond to similar threats
 * ,, , , , , and  have yet to indicate why the article should not be redirected


 * Honestly, it seems to me that there is great potential for policy and procedure changes as a result of this incident, and the publicity that surrounds it. It may not be prudent to delete this article right away, until we know what changes may take place as a result of this incident.  Additionaly, with the article being this size, it would be an incredible feat to merge it into Los Angeles Unified School District. --Jax 0677 (talk) 00:21, 23 December 2015 (UTC)


 * If you are going to ping me, at least pay attention to the fact that I said it was up to the editors of the district article to decide if the incident was worth inclusion in the wider article. I still argue that a separate article is entirely unjustified.  I am reminded of various NYC blizzard "scandals" of the same effect and magnitude that are mere footnotes to the mayoralties of previous officeholders. μηδείς (talk) 01:06, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I still stand by my !vote but have no feeling one way or another about a redirect if others feel it appropriate; nothing new seems to have come to the table (point by point; investigation ongoing, a superintendent's resignation has nothing to do with anything, copycat calls in other districts weren't unexpected, again, investigation ongoing, and who gives a flip what the security pundit community that exists to push their agendas/products cares about this story, let's hear from people actually involved with it?). There's nothing to really merge outside a few lines which can compactly describe what happened in the LAUSD article, but I still feel it has the impact of an average snow day.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 09:55, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I didn't get a ping, but coming across this again I still stand by my delete and merge vote. I know Jax these news articles are a touchy subject (since this), but even if a subject is covered it doesn't mean its article worthy by itself WP:NOTNEWS. Besides, these threats happen a lot which has even been stated by news sources.  A dog 104  Talk to me 21:22, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete with no merge or redirect, total non-event as said above. TaylorMoore2 (talk) 01:12, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete. If this had some long-lasting effect, maybe. But it doesn't. You can put the same stuff in the LAUSD article on the grounds that it was the first time it ever happened. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 20:38, 23 December 2015 (UTC)


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