Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2015 Oklahoma State University homecoming parade crash


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The result was no consensus. While adequate input has occurred here, no consensus has emerged within this discussion. North America1000 05:55, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

2015 Oklahoma State University homecoming parade crash

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This is hardly a notable event, and it is certainly not worthy of having an article of its own here. Yes, it's clearly murder according to the police, but it sounds like it may have been caused by driving under the influence of something. There's nothing unusual in that and Wikipedia is not a news service. Parsley Man (talk) 22:09, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
 * SNOW Delete its a car accident. Legacypac (talk) 09:09, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep - this was not a car accident but a deliberate murder, of a woman intentionally driving into parade watchers. She was not driving under the influence but was trying to kill herself and trying to kill other people at the same time. She had to drive around multiple barriers. Four people were killed, including a child, and dozens injured. It was huge news, even internationally. She was not DUI and was found competent to stand trial for four accounts of murder and 46 counts of assault - that's how many people she hit as she kept driving. It continually receives updates in mainstream media. —Мандичка YO 😜 11:14, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete - Per WP:NOTNEWS and WP:NOTNP. Even if it is intentional and not an accident, spree killings have unfortunately become a common enough occurrence in the United States that it is difficult to see how this particular case passes WP:N. That the occurrence recieved international coverage is irrelevant as the event still fails WP:GEOSCOPE as the event affectted only one city in Oklahoma. In fact, who, outside of the city that it occurred in, actually remembers this event now? The article thus fails WP:NTEMP. It is also difficult to see how this event could have any WP:LASTING effect. --Millionsandbillions (talk) 16:24, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Um everyone who lives in Oklahoma - it was probably the biggest news story of the year, and it's not over since it will be going to trial. And even though spree killings have become more common, we don't delete them for that reason, just as we don't delete articles on mass shootings, bombings despite their frequency. —Мандичка YO 😜 08:48, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment I strongly agree with Мандичка's rebuttal of Millionsandbillions' argument about the frequency of spree killings. I'll build on that to say that the US is a large enough country that frequency, if it is to be considered as a yardstick of notability, should be on a state level rather than a national level, and clearly this is a notable event in Oklahoma history. Aspirex (talk) 22:43, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, there are other articles on this wiki for unnotable American mass shootings and spree killings but the fact that WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not at all a rationale to keep this particular article. The idea that notability should be measured on the state level instead of the national level seems to just be a way of moving the goalposts. The fact remains that this article still has a very limited WP:GEOSCOPE and that this site is called Wikipedia, not Oklahomapedia. -- Millionsandbillions (talk) 18:29, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
 * This online Oklahoma encyclopedia also went with a catchier title (and also omits this crash). InedibleHulk (talk) 00:57, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I did not argue OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, I pointed out why your argument was invalid. We don't delete articles on events because there are lots of events. And this continues to receive national news coverage. How many crime stories get updates in People magazine? This was a very rare and very bizarre event, hardly common, and very notable. —Мандичка YO 😜 20:24, 1 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete per . 75.80.175.107 (talk) 22:19, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Oklahoma-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 11:54, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 11:54, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 11:54, 26 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep This is an event with a lasting impact on Oklahoma and OSU. The impact of this event reaches far beyond the sorts of short-term inconsequential events that the "WP:NOTNEWS" policy is intended to represent. Aspirex (talk) 22:43, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep per Мандичка and Aspirex.-- Dcheagle   &bull; talk &bull; contribs 00:09, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete, pending illustration of lasting impact (even locally). The game wasn't even postponed. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:32, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — UY Scuti Talk  18:55, 30 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep, it was an important and relevant event. Dan Holsinger (talk) 13:05, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete, sad but just another fatal accident involving a motor car, probably one of a thousands that day. MilborneOne (talk) 23:11, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep As a widely publicized, high-profile murder.  Note that many of the iVoters, including the one just above, appear to mistake this for a a car accident.  But the driver is arrest charged with assault.  Title should probably be changed to "car ramming"  or "vehicular assault".E.M.Gregory (talk) 15:44, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: the suspect was also charged with 4 counts of second-degree murder.-- Dcheagle   &bull; talk &bull; contribs 03:35, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

Keep per the significant coverage in reliable sources. Here are 25 sources (listed chronologically):    </li> <li></li> <li></li> <li></li> <li></li> <li></li> <li></li> <li></li> <li></li> <li></li> <li></li> <li></li> <li></li> <li></li> <li></li> <li></li> <li></li> <li></li> <li></li> <li></li> <li></li> <li></li> </ol>There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow the subject to pass Notability, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Cunard (talk) 05:33, 7 January 2016 (UTC)</li></ul>
 * Notability (events) says, "Events are also very likely to be notable if they have widespread (national or international) impact and were very widely covered in diverse sources, especially if also re-analyzed afterwards (as described below)." The event has geographical scope and diverse sources. The event occurred in the United States. Media in the United Kingdom covered the event: the BBC, the Daily Express, the Evening Times, The Independent, the International Business Times, and the Metro. The international news agency Reuters covered the event. National media in the United States also covered the event: the Associated Press, CNN, The New York Times, NBC News, People, and The Wall Street Journal. The event has sustained coverage. It took place 24 October 2015. There is coverage of the event in November and December 2015. Cunard (talk) 05:33, 7 January 2016 (UTC)


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