Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2015 Pan American Games


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The result was keep. John254 15:38, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

2015 Pan American Games

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Tried WP:PROD, author removed the tag without explanation. Article is about a sporting event expected (but not known) to happen in 2015. Everything in the article is "TBA" with speculation on possible cities that might bid to host it, but not for more than a year from now. Fails WP:CRYSTAL. Gromlakh (talk) 01:38, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
 *  Weak keep As far as I know, we do know for sure that the event is going to take place, we just don't know where. Corvus coronoides talk 01:47, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete as crystal ball Secret account 01:48, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
 * But it meets WP:Crystal - we know that the event will take place, and there is verifiable info about bids for hosting location. Corvus coronoides talk 01:53, 22 January 2008 (UTC)


 * KEEP Greetings. I wrote the article.  I put a response on the talk page and deleted the tag per the template's instructions; it seems Gromlakh may not have seen the comments.  As for the article itself, there are several (7) sources of various facts about the games as well as cities bidding for the games, not just speculation.  With any article of this type, there is some speculation, I agree.  However, I only created the article today, I still have more research to do anyway.  WP: CRYSTAL states: "Individual scheduled or expected future events should only be included if the event is notable and almost certain to take place. If preparation for the event is not already in progress, speculation about it must be well documented. Examples of appropriate topics include 2010 U.S. Senate elections, and 2016 Summer Olympics. By comparison, the 2020 U.S. presidential election and 2040 Summer Olympics are not considered appropriate article topics because nothing can be said about them that is verifiable and not original research." 1.  The Pan Am Games are notable.  2.  The Games are almost certain to take place.  3.  The preparations have been announced. 4. Cities have announced their candidacy. If it were the "2031" or even "2023" Games, I would agree with Gromlakh. But there are many articles on similar event which fall after these games!  Thanks for your consideration.--Cbradshaw (talk) 01:56, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. Had it been for 2019, I would have said delete. But I think 2015 is close enough, common-sense wise, to have an article. There are likely to be announcements such as venues coming in the very near future. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 03:48, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. Enough information to avoid crystal balling.For comparison, see 2028 Summer Olympics.-Wafulz (talk) 03:55, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
 * WP:OTHERSTUFF; I'd have nom'd that one as well! Gromlakh (talk) 04:32, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The first half of what I said was more important than the second half.-Wafulz (talk) 14:05, 22 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep. Does not fail the CRYSTAL policy because it is documenting events already in the past, that is, the bids that have already been announced. The event is nearly certain to happen, as long as there are no unexpected asteroid collisions with the Earth or global nuclear wars. However, I suggest removing the infobox, which is completely non-informative and a bit ridiculous in my opinion. --Itub (talk) 12:17, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - Contains useful info about past events that make it 99.999999% likely that the Games will take place, so it does not fail WP:CRYSTAL. But drop the infobox and put it back there in 7 years from now. - 52 Pickup  (deal) 14:41, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. Includes sufficient sources to show preparations are already underway, including bidding. If we can have Olympics articles going into the 2020s, the Pan Am Games are equally notable, and since there are already announced plans for bids, there's no WP:CRYSTAL issue here. This also goes for any other future Pan Am Games articles out there, as long as they're sourced and not speculative. 23skidoo (talk) 16:00, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep There are may reference points. This is the next edition of these games not decided yet. So close enough —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.154.24.150 (talk) 03:24, 26 January 2008 (UTC)


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