Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2016 Can-Am League season


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. With no disrespect to the nominator's rationale, the consensus out here is tending towards Keep. Apart from the points forwarded by the keep !voters towards not deleting the article, there is also compelling discussion about WP:NSEASONS and its application in this case, which too supports the keep camp. If the nominator or the delete !voter wishes more clarification, I can provide them on my talk page. Thanks. (non-admin closure)  Lourdes  12:35, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

2016 Can-Am League season

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Non Notable season of independent baseball league. There is no indication in the article about what makes this season of the league notable and the sourcing in the article is all routine game recaps. WP:NSPORTS says season articles are notable in the top professional leagues. The Can-Am League is way below that. Article was prodded, deleted and then restored by article creator himself, abusing his tools as an administrator. Spanneraol (talk) 15:05, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Baseball-related deletion discussions. Spanneraol (talk) 15:05, 26 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep. Just a point of clarification, I opened a discussion on the article's talk page which was not addressed, so I felt the article was unfairly deleted without discussion. This is the proper avenue to go about deleting articles. Anyways, WP:SPORTS says "Articles can be created on individual seasons of teams in top professional leagues." This is not an article on any team's season, but rather the league's season. The general consensus on Wikipedia has been to keep articles on professional league seasons, no matter the level in other sports. I know, WP:OTHERTHINGSEXIST, but there are just so many countless examples of league season articles in minor professional and even junior sports leagues in other sports. Why is baseball any different? -- Earl Andrew - talk 15:26, 26 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete It is our consensus that only top leagues should have season articles, not independent minor leagues. I see no reason to change that or make an exception for this. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:24, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Why is baseball any different than soccer or hockey in this regard? -- Earl Andrew - talk 19:13, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Which soccer and hockey leagues that are as low level as this one have season articles? Spanneraol (talk) 00:13, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Hockey we go right down into junior amateur leagues. That being said hockey in Canada is religion so pretty much any league is covered in news papers. One would think baseball is likely the same in the US for atleast pro leagues. Hell we have team season articles for leagues that are 2 levels below the NHL but that is fairly uncommon mostly because people don't tend to create them, but we don't bar them. -DJSasso (talk) 00:42, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
 * As for soccer, it seems every single country's top pro league has season articles, even small city states like Gibraltar. See 2016–17 Gibraltar Premier Division for a random example. Closer to home, there is this: 2017 League1 Ontario season. I can tell you the CanAm league definitely gets more coverage here in Ottawa than Leauge1.-- Earl Andrew - talk 13:22, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I can buy that hockey is religion in Canada, meaning leagues like the OHL and QMJHL might have sufficient coverage to be noteworthy. It's not the case for minor baseball leagues though. Most of that coverage is minor. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:51, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Sure, but I can tell you for a fact that the Can-Am league gets pretty significant coverage in the Ottawa area, since it's the only baseball team in this market. I can't speak for the other markets, to be fair. It certainly gets more coverage than "Ligue1" which I only know about through Wikipedia. -- Earl Andrew - talk 19:01, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
 * The local team gets routine coverage (as par for the course for sports journalism, it is typically partly promotional, partly coverage of local community events); it's not clear to me the league gets any significant coverage unrelated to the local team. But this is really just a side note; I'm not sure what standard should be used to determine if a season should have an article. isaacl (talk) 03:35, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
 * The thing is that coverage also ends up covering the team they are playing which is non-local coverage. And the references from different cities covering different events all add up to significant coverage from multiple sources. -DJSasso (talk) 11:54, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
 * No te: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU  (T/C) 19:01, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
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 * Keep Long standing consensus wiki-wide that professional sports leagues can have season articles. Hell most major amateur leagues easily meet the source coverage requirement for it in most sports. NSPORTS mentions teams because leagues for all professional leagues was well established consensus. When we wrote NSPORTS we were trying to make sure that didn't spread to teams for all pro leagues as well. For what its worth soon as a prod is objected to it can be recreated so its not really an issue that it was him that recreated it. (and that isn't even mentioning that his comment on the talk page should have been taken as an objection which would have blocked deletion anyways. Whomever deleted it did so improperly) -DJSasso (talk) 23:03, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Are you saying its ok to write a season article about the United Shore Professional Baseball League? Every pro sports league? The Can-Am League isnt even affiliated.. it's an indy league... I don't think every season of it is notable. The article sure doesnt show that.Spanneraol (talk) 00:18, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Affiliated has nothing to do with it, it comes down to WP:GNG like all things do. If news papers/sources cover it, we have articles for it. Can you honestly say news papers in the cities with professional sports teams are not writing about the seasons of their pro teams? There may very well be cases where some aren't but I think you would have to search pretty hard to find one. -DJSasso (talk) 00:42, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. Indeed, this seems to be misreading of WP:NSEASONS, which refers to "individual seasons of teams in top professional leagues." There is no guideline for baseball that is different from soccer or hockey in this regard. There will be plenty of citations in regional news media. Jack N. Stock (talk) 23:36, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
 * The twenty games featuring the Cuban national team must count for something, too. That could surely be expanded. There is plenty of coverage because of the "baseball diplomacy" of the Cuban national team. Media coverage far exceeded "routine game recaps." WP:OVERKILL would be easy, but WP:BLUE; it easily passes WP:GNG. Jack N. Stock (talk) 02:49, 30 May 2017 (UTC)


 * I have expanded the article a little, including nine additional non-trivial citations. Jack N. Stock (talk) 04:49, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep - WP:NSEASONS only applies to team seasons, there is nothing in there that says league seasons can't be notable. And this particular season is clearly notable judging by the citations, as are most other professional sports seasons. Cleary passes WP:GNG and any other relevant criteria. Smartyllama (talk) 15:27, 1 June 2017 (UTC)`


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