Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2016 Minneapolis shooting


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2016 Minneapolis shooting
The result was keep. Nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure) TheGracefulSlick (talk) 00:36, 16 May 2017 (UTC)


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Per WP:NOTNEWS and WP:NOTROUTINE. The shooting received standard coverage in July 2016 but has not mustered any significant sources after this time period. Any news coverage was almost exclusively focused in Minnesota itself, meaning it did not receive significant international coverage. It was a tragic event, indeed, but that does not make it an encyclopedic event. TheGracefulSlick (talk) 16:40, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
 * TheGracefulSlick, fyi, a courtesy ping to article creator is customary.E.M.Gregory (talk) 23:40, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
 * please forgive my of lack courtesy. Right after I posted this to AfD I had a sudden off-wiki issue. In the excitement, I simply forgot to inform you when I resumed editing.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 00:16, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
 * no worries, stuff happens.E.M.Gregory (talk)
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 * Color me surprised, a hate crime in which bunch of guys in Minneapolis shout insults at a group of Somali men in traditional dress, then one of them pulls out a gun and starts shooting Somalis, local papers call it a "hate crime," but the story flickers only briefly.E.M.Gregory (talk) 23:44, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Redirect and merge to Islamophobia in the United States. E.M.Gregory (talk) 23:50, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Would you be willing to withdraw this and I'll do an redirect merge to Islamophobia in the United States where several similar incidents are detailed.E.M.Gregory (talk) 23:53, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
 * And in response to this request: I will be happy to withdraw this (or an admin can if I'm not active) after another editor or two express their opinions. That way, at least, there is time for a general discussion and perhaps other ideas can be thrown in.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 00:43, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Do you want to reconsider in light of the guilty verdict?E.M.Gregory (talk) 23:34, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
 * why would I do that? Of course there was going to be a guilty verdict at some point. That is standard coverage of a crime, nothing groundbreaking to see here.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 23:55, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
 * , perhaps because the situation is worse that I thought. Turns out that I wrote article and have been searching under incorrect spelling. Far more coverage comes up is you search Sawani in addition to Sawina. Or perhaps because with verdict + expanded searches it now appears that coverage of both case verdict has been national and international.E.M.Gregory (talk) 00:03, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Hmm all my prior searches did not include that spelling. I am convinced. Since I have seen more sources that were not available from the original searches and editors are willing to help expand this article, I say keep the page. If there is a legitimate reason to incorporate information into the encyclopedia, I cannot reject it.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 00:36, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete or redirect and merge to Islamophobic incidents. I don't see enough sustained coverage to merit a separate article per WP:EVENT. The content in question seems like an appropriate addition to the US list in Islamophobic incidents. Islamophobia in the United States includes an apparently arbitrary subset of this list, and that section will hopefully be replaced by something more systematic. Eperoton (talk) 05:22, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Merge Not every incident needs its own article. Reywas92Talk 05:23, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Winged Blades Godric 08:31, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment- Dunno if this needs keeping, but it sure needs a different name. The natural response to the title is "Huh...which?"  Anmccaff (talk) 23:14, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep This attack is just one in a series of Anti-Muslim violence. Just by a quick google search, I found a few articles discussing this event through August and October, and January. Indeed, most of these sources are specific to Minnesota, but using that logic, we should delete the articles for the 2017 Paris machete attack or the 2017 Chicago torture incident since no sources have been discussing those two events since February. Considering, the perpetrator was just recently convicted three days ago found guilty three days ago and is going to be sentenced in about a month, there might be a resurgence of coverage too. Even the FBI is investigating this, which means it's a federal crime. I agree this article needs lots of work and I will attempt to expand it today or tomorrow, but I am against a merge/deletion. I also agree with Winged Blades  that the article should probably be renamed to something like 2016 Anti-Muslim shooting in Minneapolis. Kamalthebest (talk) 23:03, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I will attempt to expand this page either today or tomorrow if that helps. I also believe that the fact that this article is an WP:ORPHAN has prevented it from being expanded by other users, so it needs to be more integrated into Wikipedia. I'll add it to the Islamophobia in the United States, Islamophobic incidents, and Template:Islamophobia. Kamalthebest (talk) 23:15, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I'd also like to note that the 2017 Olathe, Kansas shooting has a Wikipedia page and is strikingly similar, both regarding the motivation behind the attack, and the casualties. The only difference is that one person died in the Kansas shooting, where as people were only injured in this attack. Kamalthebest (talk) 23:18, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep, because WP:HEY Since I commented above, there has been a guilty verdict. This is a game changer and changes my iVote to Keep.E.M.Gregory (talk) 23:32, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep and rename. Anmccaff (talk) 23:40, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Spelling! I now see that although some news reports have used "Sawini", the spelling I used in article and the spelling that I used in searches over the months since writing the article, there has been ongoing coverage under the proper spelling "Sawani". I assume that not only I, but also Nom and other editors iVoting merge above were misled by the spelling.  sigh.  This does pretty much invalidate every comment made on this page before today.E.M.Gregory (talk) 23:58, 15 May 2017 (UTC)


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