Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2016 Phoenix murders


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The result was delete. JohnCD (talk) 21:11, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

2016 Phoenix murders

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WP:NOTNEWS. It's a tragic event, but it's a routine familicide and the coverage I've seen so far seems to be local. Parsley Man (talk) 19:28, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
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 * That actually seems about right at this moment in time, and I tend to side with the inclusionists. But given the way national news is focused on the presidential primaries, I'd say wait a day as it's an election year and someone's bound to dredge this up on the campaign trail.Bahb the Illuminated (talk) 20:36, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
 * It did hit the national wire with ABC. http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/authorities-shooting-reported-phoenix-home-fire-37131834 Bahb the Illuminated (talk) 20:42, 26 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep I'm kind of mixed on this one. While it does seem like a random family shooting, this falls into the category of a mass shooting and is higher than most familicides that you are going to see out there. I don't see any reason to delete it (otherwise, I would have nominated it last night), and there is national coverage for this as well. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 22:12, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
 * We have familicides with body counts higher than this one, some of them recent, and a majority of them don't have articles out of issues of notability. See here, here, and here. Parsley Man (talk) 22:19, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Hence, mixed. I'm not convinced of notability 100%, but it's enough to have a "wait and see" approach to this. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 04:56, 27 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete – textbook application of WP:NOTNEWS. With such a fresh incident, all coverage is routine and googling through some of them I see nothing demonstrating that any news organisation is treating this as anything other than just another story. (Also, the title needs desperately to be changed to something more specific to this incident. Can I suggest we do that now in spite of the general practice not to do so during an AfD?) Aspirex (talk) 01:10, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep - I've read several articles about events who received far less coverage than this tragic event which-the articles I've seen-have not been put for deletion or deleted. This event received wide national media attention, and also we have to remember, it only happened a couple of days ago. Perhaps next week there might be more coverage on outlets such as People and Time Magazines. Time, no pun intended, will tell, so let's at least wait a bit before we end up deleting it. Antonio Without A Brain Martin (loser talk) 12:44, 27 February, 2016 (UTC)
 * Well then, can you give me those articles that you speak of? I would like to nominate them for deletion, now that you mention it. Parsley Man (talk) 17:13, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete Unfortunately, events like these are pretty common in the United States. Also given that this was a domestic incident in which the victims were known to the victims and not a public rampage targeting strangers, that makes this event even less notable. Rossbawse (talk) 04:38, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 11:55, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and Rossbawse. This sort of thing happens too often for it to merit an article. Clarityfiend (talk) 01:17, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete WP:ROUTINE news coverage that won't expand outside the Phoenix metro, especially without a trial for the suicidal suspect to continue it, and I generally disregard People's coverage in every way as hardly editorial and mainly emotional for murder stories.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 03:40, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Makes me think that we need a list of deaths by gunshot in the U.S., by year and state.E.M.Gregory (talk) 21:00, 9 March 2016 (UTC)


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