Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2016 United States presidential election in American Samoa


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was consensus to delete the American Samoa article, no consensus with respect to the others.  Sandstein  08:07, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

2016 United States presidential election in American Samoa

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We don't need articles about events that don't exist just to let people know that it doesn't exist. It is using a very bad qualifier. Its non-standard not just per WP guidelines but also according to conventions of Elections related articles too. This article contains details about 2016 presidential caucuses but they have their own standalone articles (2016 American Samoa Democratic presidential caucuses & 2016 American Samoa Republican presidential caucuses). This article was subject of past AfD at Articles for deletion/United States presidential election in American Samoa, 2016. It appears that the name was never changed as per closing instruction. But even if it's name is changed, it will still be out of the pack among any other election year. Party-specific articles exist for every state in every year (unless incumbent goes unchallenged). For no other state in any year, or the territories in any year except 2016, do we have a cover all-party primary article, and there's no indication those kinds of articles are in the pipeline. Not to mention the false look it gave when left in Template:2016 United States elections that it had representation when it factually did not. (I removed it from there). ---CX Zoom(he/him) (let's talk&#124;contribs) 15:59, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Reasons for deletion:
 * 1) We don't need articles about events that don't exist just to let people know that it doesn't exist.
 * 2) Title is first thing a reader notices, and the usage of "presidential election" as a qualifier gives the false impression that American Samoa has presidential representation when in fact it does not.
 * 3) This article contains details about 2016 presidential caucuses but they have their own standalone articles (2016 American Samoa Democratic presidential caucuses & 2016 American Samoa Republican presidential caucuses).
 * 4) Only party delegates vote in caucuses, has nothing to do with ordinary citizens, like other "elections".
 * 5) Presidential caucuses/primaries in territories do not form a part of the legally defined "presidential election" process.
 * 6) Democrats Abroad, for example, conducts primaries in Canada. There were 19 polling stations across Canada and 622,000 voting-age U.S. citizens. Yet we don't have a "20xx United States presidential election in Canada" article.
 * 7) This article was subject of past AfD at Articles for deletion/United States presidential election in American Samoa, 2016. It appears that the name was never changed as per closing instruction. But even if it's name is changed, it will be non-standard. Party primary-specific articles exist for every state in every year. For no other state in any year, or the territories in any year except 2016, do we have a cover all-party primary article. It is simply repetitive to articles mentioned at point #3.

---CX Zoom(he/him) (let's talk&#124;contribs) 05:59, 2 March 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 01:02, 21 February 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  01:52, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. ---CX Zoom(he/him) (let's talk&#124;contribs) 15:59, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: I have added 3 more related articles to the deletion discussion due to the same reasons already stated above. ---CX Zoom(he/him) (let's talk&#124;contribs) 16:26, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Puerto Rico-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 16:40, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 16:40, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Caribbean-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 16:42, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: Guam is not included in this because of the presidential straw poll, I assume? Skarmory   (talk •   contribs)  03:26, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep Puerto Rico, as it is labeled as presidential primaries in Puerto Rico. I would say Convert all the others to a presidential primaries style article, such as in Puerto Rico, if reasonable. Skarmory   (talk •   contribs)  03:26, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete American Samoa but Keep the others. I support the deletion of the article on American Samoa, as it is entirely unsourced (failing GNG and V) and nom has proved it redundant. However, I cannot support the proposed deletion of the other articles without any evidence (or even, it seems, proper PROD procedure, as none of the other articles are tagged). Toadspike (talk) 03:15, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment: As far as Puerto Rico is concerned, the article may be misleading altogether anyway. In my understanding the alleged "primaries" held in Puerto Rico are not popularly held but held only for the Puerto Rican members of the GOP and DEM parties there. There are several (local) political parties in PR, but since only the PNP Party supports statehood, only members of that party vote in these alleged US presidential "primaries". In my understanding the PNP party limits voting in its US presidential primaries to only its party leadership, not the people at large. This leadership, I understand, consists of all its (PNP) senators, legislators and mayors as well as its legislative, gubernatorial and mayoral candidates. That would be a marked difference from presidential primaries held in the US mainland where any citizen can vote in the GOP or the DEM primaries so long as they are registered republicans or democrats respectively, and the reason I would argue the article title may be misleading altogether anyway and make it a candidate for Deletion regardless. Hope this helps! Mercy11 (talk) 22:43, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
 * pinging because I modified the nomination for better clarity. Also, I've added AfD notices on all nominated articles. Back when I started this AfD, I wasn't able to understand the instructions, asked for help at WP:HD but didn't get much out of it. Now, I'm able to do it correctly, and so I've completed the steps that were left incomplete back then. Thanks for your kind consideration. ---CX Zoom(he/him) (let's talk&#124;contribs) 06:19, 2 March 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.