Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2016 shooting of San Antonio police officer


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The result was keep. Joyous! | Talk 00:09, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

2016 shooting of San Antonio police officer

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Fails WP:NOTNEWS and WP:EVENT. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 22:46, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep : News or not, this is likely to become a major event in San Antonio. A manhunt is presently underway and the suspect has yet to be identified. If caught alive, he will be tried and, given the circumstances, most likely convicted. All this strikes me as worthy of an entry in WP. Chief Red Eagle (talk) 23:35, 20 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Shawn in Montreal (talk) 23:59, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 23:59, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
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 * Keep - early days. article can be improved. major event.--BabbaQ (talk) 00:03, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment I note that many of the other articles about events in Category:Assassinated police officers tend to be about multiple shootings. This sort of thing is just too commonplace in America and may not be notable. Then again I get that the shooting right outside a police station stands out. I think it's really too early to tell, either way. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 00:45, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep Weak keep as it is likely to gain further notability. Instaurare (talk) 01:31, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Weak keep - Given that it follows on the heels of other killings of police officers, and the reaction of government officials, I'm willing to hold out on this article's notability a little longer. We can come back on this when more details are shed on the case. Parsley Man (talk) 01:42, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment - No comment on the notability, but it could really use a less clunky title. ansh 666 01:51, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. The story so far: Officer pulls driver over for routine traffic stop. A second car stops, dude gets out, shoots and kills police officer.  Drives away.  Massive manhunt underway. Immediate national and international coverage. This does not sound like "routine" shooting to me. E.M.Gregory (talk) 17:24, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment. If kept, this should certainly be renamed to the much less clunky killing of Benjamin Marconi. (Note also that the victim's title was detective, not officer). Neutralitytalk 19:50, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment - Following the suspect's arrest, I have renamed the article to Shooting of Benjamin Marconi, since I am assuming there will no longer be any additional victims. Parsley Man (talk) 00:00, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment - I would support a merge/redirect to San Antonio Police Department, but we don't have an article on the PD yet. Neutralitytalk 02:19, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NOTNEWS, suspect is in custody. -- Somedifferentstuff (talk) 21:20, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Note that although being upset over a custody dispute is routine, walking up to a police officer and murdering him is not. And it has not been covered as routine, rather, this is getting national coverage as part of a sharp increase on targeted/ambush attacks on police.E.M.Gregory (talk) 21:48, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Weak delete keep - NOTNEWS is the biggest issue. The past few weeks we have five men shoot 7 officers, and this weekend we had 4 more. Not sure what sets this apart from the rest. Others have been ambushed but I am unaware of articles for them.  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) 23:38, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
 * And therefore this shooting is being analyzed in national media as part of an increase in the targeted/ambush shootings of police officers. Although the AFD at first seemed overeager while the manhunt was underway; I now think that the attention brought by the deliberate targeting of an officer and national coverage due to that aspect augurs keep. E.M.Gregory (talk) 11:54, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Okay... you've convinced me with the national media coverage. It's grown since I last looked. The media are treating this one differently than the other shootings, so I guess we should too.  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) 14:03, 23 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Note Anthony Beminio and Justin Martin have an article.  These 2 officers were killed in separate incidents,  in "ambush style" shootings very similar to this shooting in San Anntonio.   Beminio and Martin share an article because of the coincidence of being shot and killed in the same city on the same day. 2016 shootings of Des Moines police officers.  Public attention, and media coverage do focus on the deliberate targeting of police officers in cases like these, where the officer is simply sitting in the patrol car, or writing a traffic ticket, when a guy with a gun arrives out of nowhere and shoots the officer.  Resulting coverage and public concern produces the kind of coverage that supports keeping an article.E.M.Gregory (talk) 12:39, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep – I have just added a section (which has been subsequently shortened) with a bunch of references about a Texas Judge who suggested on Facebook that the suspect be lynched, then quickly deleted it. There has been coverage in Texas and beyond and also comment on its significance in light of the election of Donald Trump and the atmosphere in the US.  I suspect there will be more coverage to come and suggest that the coverage of the crime and the aftermath is sufficient under GNG.  EdChem (talk) 04:47, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
 * While I thank you for this edit, you have to be careful about making it undue and using reliable sources. I had to shorten it considerably; this is not about a judge's certain comment regarding the shooter's race, it's about the shooting death of a respected police officer. Parsley Man (talk) 04:56, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Much would be better in an article on the judge, I admit, so I can buy undue, and moving it to a stand alone article seems likely - need to make sure there's enough on him for it not to be BLP1E, though. Irked about your RS comment, though, they are newspaper sources (all with much the same coverage) plus the website where he works (for his election), plus a comment / opinion that has a strong perspective but is presented as such and not in WP voice, on the aspect that could well lead to ongoing coverage.   I presume it is the last one that concerns you?  EdChem (talk) 05:02, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't exactly call Occupy Democrats and Atlanta Black Star RS... Parsley Man (talk) 05:04, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I have no idea who Atlanta Black Star is, it came up on Google News and I clicked it because Atlanta is not in TX and I was looking for out-of-state sources to show breadth of coverage; it looked like a newspaper and the coverage is in line with other sources in this case. Poor choice on my part, perhaps.  Occupy Democrats is certainly opinionated but its words were attributed as opinion to their source and not used for factual assertions in WP's voice.  My opinion stands, however, that the incident and related coverage adds to the GNG case for keeping this article.  EdChem (talk) 05:23, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Given the word "Black" present in the source and the content in question, I had my doubts that the reporting was going to be objective and removed it based on that suspicion. Parsley Man (talk) 05:36, 24 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete Person gets murdered with a firearm in the USA. Happened 13,468 times in 2015 and I don't think this year is much different. so this is routine news. WP:NOTNEWS. Black Kite (talk) 12:02, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep, as the topic seems to be evolving and its notability might become more evident in the near future.  → Call me  Razr   Nation  23:21, 27 November 2016 (UTC)


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