Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2017–18 Under 20 Elite League


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The result was no consensus.  A  Train talk 08:29, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

2017–18 Under 20 Elite League

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"A few months ago there were plans to establish this tournament but in agreement with UEFA it was decided to shelve the Under 20 Elite League. The scheduled matches between the teams involved will be played as friendly games, but will logically not be counted in a competition form or league table." S Philbrick (Talk)  16:45, 14 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment Do we have articles saying that this tournament has been shelved and it is all friendlies, because as it stands I would vote for keep off current information NZ Footballs Conscience  (talk) 01:19, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment agree with comment above. If the tournament has been cancelled or similar, there is no basis for an article to cover it. But so far the information states that it is going ahead in some form. What is the source for the quote above underpinning the rationale for deletion? Crowsus (talk) 19:00, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. NewYorkActuary (talk) 04:48, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Europe-related deletion discussions. NewYorkActuary (talk) 04:48, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Optakeover (U)(T)(C) 17:30, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Can the proposer please provide their evidence for the tournament concept being disbanded, otherwise this is kind of a pointless exercise? Crowsus (talk) 17:46, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * In the absence of a source saying the tournament has been disbanded, and in light of the Italian Football Federation explicitly referring to this tournament in a match report from earlier this month (albeit referring to it as the "8 Nations Tournament" rather than Under 20 Elite League) Keep, and possibly Move. OZOO (t) (c) 15:36, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Winged Blades of Godric On leave 08:06, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Merge with Under-20 Four Nations Tournament (and rename the target page).  appears to be a source for results.  While the matches appear to exist, if we can't determine what the over-all event is even called, it almost certainly is not notable enough to have a page specifically for this year's competition.  Including the individual match results is likely WP:UNDUE, I'll ping WikiProject Football for comment on that. power~enwiki ( π,  ν ) 20:25, 3 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment Regarding the name, the official name was never known, Italian refer as Torneo Quattro Nazioni Under-20, German refer it as Internationalen U-20 Spielrunde in the past editions. So it need a reliable source for the new names "Under 20 Elite League" and "8 Nations Tournament". Matthew_hk   t  c  12:42, 4 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Sir Sputnik (talk) 14:56, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Seems like we are waiting on external information here. Also need an answer on GiantSnowman's notability question.
 * Delete - no evidence of notability. GiantSnowman 16:22, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 09:19, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Huh? I don't understand your relisting comment. What GiantSnowman notability question needs an answer? Club Oranje T 12:08, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
 * response to some above questions the matches are considered friendlies according to this. This will be because it is an invitational league organised by German FA, not a UEFA or FIFA organised event. It is definitely happening and results are here amongst other places. It appears to be an expansion of the 4 nations tournament but I can't find the ref back for that just now. That 4 nations tournament is effectively unreferenced currently. All the streaming sites and both sites I refernced above refer to it as Under 20 Elite League.  Club Oranje T 12:22, 10 October 2017 (UTC)


 * The four nation was based on DFB database and FIGC database Swiss FA database and press release by FIGC, but since subsequent material added by other user, i am not sure still able to find the material they use or not. http://vivoazzurro.it seem a good (secondary) source. Not search RSSSF yet. Matthew_hk   t  c  15:16, 10 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep. No reasons to delete this competition article with huge amount of sources. 95.133.219.133 (talk) 11:02, 12 October 2017 (UTC)


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