Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2017 Dayton Wolfpack season


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The result was keep. There is no consensus to delete. Whether it should be merged can be discussed outside AFD. There is no consensus to do so here.  So Why  17:35, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

2017 Dayton Wolfpack season

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Contested prod. Basically this is a season article about a team that folded before the season began. There's no point in having a season article about a sports team that didn't actually have that season. LionMans Account (talk) 21:32, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

I'm going ahead an adding the main article on the team to this since the team isn't notable either for the same reason.
 * LionMans Account (talk) 22:04, 1 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment Technically, the Dayton Wolfpack folded. Officially, the "Dayton" Wolfpack were a travelling team that did play. The team(s) had Wolfpack uniforms and played league games, but they were operated by at least two separate Georgia-based semi-pro teams. In league records a team called the Dayton Wolfpack played several games, so to say the team didn't actually play or that the season that they played would be incorrect. I don't care one way or the other if these pages get deleted, but those that do comment here should at least have the facts. (Now if you argued WP:GNG for each season, all NAL team's seasons might fail per only routine coverage. The league itself would pass and probably the league's season. You could also throw it the Can-Am Indoor Football League and Arena Pro Football league pages for GNG non-acceptable sources as well.) Another point towards its existence was the apparent GM of the team at the time briefly contacted me to make corrections to the page. Yosemiter (talk) 22:25, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I should also note that one of the sources used on the page is basically a blog that occasionally covers the league. Said blog also used much of what I wrote about the demise of the original team (gathered from twitter, facebook, and instagram posts from the players and coaches, so it was hard to source properly) verbatim from the wikipedia page. I was not the author of the blog, but it at least was something to source that wasn't social media when I added it to the wikipedia page that had some extra info. Yosemiter (talk) 22:35, 1 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep or merge As Yosemiter discussed, league records indicate a team called the Dayton Wolfpack is operating under a travel-only schedule where the games were played by two semi-pro Georgia based teams wearing Wolfpack uniforms. These games are still covered under the same video policy as other NAL teams, so arguing WP:GNG against the Wolfpack also argues against the other teams as well per WP:ROUTINE. However, as this would be the team's sole season, merging certain parts of the season article, i.e. schedule, infobox, league table, etc. with the Wolfpack main article is also feasible. Jd02022092 (talk) 23:16, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
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 * Comment I'd like to point out that arguing WP:GNG on the Wolfpack could also argue the same guidelines against another team that met a similar fate in 2016, the Minnesota Havok. I'm just providing an example here; other failed teams that have pages could also fall under this category. Jd02022092 (talk) 16:35, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
 * WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not a valid argument here. I can also think of a few dozen team pages that likely have only routine coverage that may not meet GNG (most teams in leagues like American Indoor Football and its equivalents in the last two decades). I have also personally prodded and had deleted team pages that never played in these lower leagues (see histories at Anderson Gladiators, Louisiana Cottonmouths, Louisiana Gators, Northshore Gators, Pineywoods Bucks, Texas Stealth). The best argument here is that according to NAL league records the Dayton Wolfpack played games as a league member in the 2017 season. Yosemiter (talk) 17:42, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
 * WP:GNG would be the guideline for this article (since there's no official standard for sports teams), and I'm just not seeing either article meeting that standard. There's probably a ton of article that could be deleted too if someone actually found them.  LionMans Account (talk) 16:55, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  So Why  07:57, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep If nom thinks seasons in this league are not notable in general, he can argue that and put them all up for deletion. But nobody has proposed doing that. Nominator's rationale does not apply, as the team under this name still existed, even if they didn't play in or anywhere near Dayton. The same rationale should therefore apply to this team as the others, and nobody has proposed a single reason why those should be deleted. So there's no reason to delete this, either. Smartyllama (talk) 13:03, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
 * WP:GNG still applies, and there's no information about this "team" other than what the league claims. Its just a name being used by two fill-in teams.  LionMans Account (talk) 19:18, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Again, if the claim is that seasons in this league fail WP:GNG, make that claim. But if the rest are notable, there's absolutely no reason why this team isn't. Smartyllama (talk) 19:23, 15 June 2017 (UTC)


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