Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2017 M1 motorway crash


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to M1 motorway. As a compromise between keep and delete. Content can be merged from history subject to editorial consensus.  Sandstein  06:54, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

2017 M1 motorway crash

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WP:NOTNEWS. Multiple-vehicle pile-ups on motorways are not uncommon, and I don't see how this article is encyclopedic. Coverage of the crash had dried up entirely by the week after. Buttons0603 (talk) 19:08, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
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 * Delete. If this was the deadliest bus accident ever it would have a claim to notability, but just as the deadliest 21st century crash so far I'm not sure it makes the cut. Other than that it's a clear failure of notability - no wikinotable people killed/involved, tragic but WP:RUNOFTHEMILL road accident. WP:NOTMEMORIAL. - The Bushranger One ping only 20:31, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete - As notable as this incident -- and we know where that article is heading. The comparisons are strikingly identical: receives a routine news cycle, little to no follow-up, and no societal impact. It is tragic but that alone has never been, nor should it ever be, a reason for inclusion.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 20:52, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete: has said exactly what I was going to say. ~dom Kaos~ (talk) 21:03, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Redirect to M1 motorway which mentions it already. Not notable enough event. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:31, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Redirect As User:Joseph2302 says, it is mentioned at the M1 motorway article. Not notable enough to warrant its own article. Hrodvarsson (talk) 01:03, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Redirect seems like a reasonable compromise: I'm happy to change my vote. ~dom Kaos~ (talk) 10:33, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete or Redirect as a non-notable traffic collision. I note that 2011 M5 motorway crash was notable due to controversy over the cause (a nearby fireworks event being implicated), and 1991 M4 motorway crash due to the number of victims and consequent changes to legislation. However this, along with 1997 M42 motorway crash appears not to have any coverage distinguishing it from a straightforward traffic incident at this stage.--Pontificalibus (talk) 12:26, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete WP:NOTNEWS where I live almost every day it is very likely to find road accident news in print dailies and broadcast media, but I never thought such are encyclopedic material, even ghastly ones which claim like 10 and above lives. This is plain News and hysteria with it will soon fade out, no societal impact. Our moribund sister project WikiNews is in dire need of articles and that is the appropriate place for this article.Ammarpad (talk) 10:05, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep News coverage hasn't dried up at all, One suspect is on bail pending a court hearing, early next year, one was reprimanded. I suggest waiting until then instead of jumping the gun with theories like "news has dried up". For example M40 minibus crash, which happened in 1993 could be tagged as non-notable, as again no-one important for a Wiki article was killed. The last source relating to the accident was published in 2013, 20 years after the accident happened. Night  fury  08:50, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
 * The M40 minibus crash which I had meant to mention in my comment above is notable due to the consequent law changes, formation of charities etc.. The notability or otherwise of the victims does not appear to be relevant in any of these crashes. --Pontificalibus (talk) 14:23, 6 December 2017 (UTC)


 * WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. And, as mentioned, regulartory changes and other signs of WP:PERSISTENCE are relevant there. - The Bushranger One ping only 02:10, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. Notable accident with huge coverage in the media. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:19, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
 * WP:ITSNOTABLE, WP:ITSINTHENEWS. - The Bushranger One ping only 02:10, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep - extensive coverage in major publications in the UK and India due to the victims being Indian nationals - passes WP:GNG. Highest number of fatalities on a UK motorway in 24 years distinguishes this from every other incident for the past 24 years.  I added the death toll to the lede. TimTempleton (talk)  (cont)  02:20, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Merge - to M1 motorway per <b style="color:#CCCC00">Joseph</b> - Significant event, but WP:NOTNEWS. Best place for this information would be a subsection on the article about the roadway itself. Redirecting without moving the information would not serve the community. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#000000 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#000000 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#000000">Operator873 CONNECT 02:38, 8 December 2017 (UTC)


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