Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2017 Major League Baseball All-Star Game


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The result was redirect to Major League Baseball All-Star Game. &mdash;Darkwind (talk) 03:06, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

2017 Major League Baseball All-Star Game

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WP:TOOSOON — it is way too soon to create this article. The 2015 All-Star Game happens in about a month, and 2016 is acceptable since it is a almost a year a way, but 2017 should wait until close to the 2016 date when it has more sources. It is also unsourced, which leads me to say... there is no need to rush it.  Corky  |  Chat?  02:10, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Redirect There's also no need to hurry and delete it. Just put #redirectMajor League Baseball All-Star Game at the top and keep the rest of the article. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:13, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep, game is confirmed to take place at Marlins Park so it wouldn't hurt to leave the article up. VegasCasinoKid (talk) 02:36, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
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*Comment - I wonder if a better redirect target would be List of Major League Baseball All-Star Games, since the list can be expanded to include the information on the location of the 2017 game. Rlendog (talk) 16:03, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Major League Baseball All-Star Game. Too soon for its own article. Spanneraol (talk) 15:32, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Redirect to List of Major League Baseball All-Star Game venues. I think that is a better target than List of Major League Baseball All-Star Games or Major League Baseball All-Star Game, since that list actually contains the known information about the 2017 game.Rlendog (talk) 16:07, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm fine with a redirect. Just because it is confirmed, doesn't mean there are enough sources for it to be a stand-alone article.  Corky  |  Chat?  22:22, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Redirect per well-established sports AfD precedent. With the possible exception of international game such as the Olympics, we do not create articles for sports events more than eight to twelve months in advance because the independent, reliable sources are thin to non-existent and the article, if created, will have damn little to say.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 13:16, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Major League Baseball All-Star Game. It's too early to create this article and it's only 2015! Ashbeckjonathan (talk) 17:52, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep Game has been awarded and page was created. Might as well just keep it so that additional info. can be easily added. - Bbny-wiki-editor (talk) 17:28, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
 * With redirect all of existing content is preserved in the edit history and can simply be restored by reverting the edit which converts the article into a redirect. No reason to keep this article in mainspace for now; it's premature and there is nothing encyclopedia about it beyond the location and date, which can be listed in the main parent article. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 16:19, 1 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep . I've noticed that future annual events such as this become notable once the venue is announced. This is when the city/team can start preparing for the game and enough can then be written about the game. There are several prominent sources that discuss the game so sourcing shouldn't be a problem, including MLB.com, ESPN, Miami Herald, etc. Tavix | Talk 16:02, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
 * All of which can be easily handled as part of the main Major League Baseball All-Star Game parent article. Having a 2018 Major League Baseball All-Star Game article -- more than three years before it is played, is just goofy.  It is essentially a blank form that only includes the date and location of the game.  Please note that WP:GNG states the significant coverage in multiple, independent, reliable sources creates a presumption of notability and suitability of including a stand-alone article; it is not, however, a guarantee, and editors may decide that that the specific subject is better covered as part of another article.  The 2017 and 2018 MLB All-Star Game articles fall into the latter category, especially when these two articles can be simply converted to redirects for the time being, and then reconverted to stand-alone articles when the time is appropriate.  Nothing is lost, and no one has to look at a blank form article with very little encyclopedic content until the time is right to build it out.  Oh, for the record, the MLB.com article about the MLB All-Star game is not independent coverage per GNG.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 16:19, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
 * For one, I don't see a good place to merge all of this information into Major League Baseball All-Star Game, especially since that article doesn't discuss individual games (as a history, chronology, etc.). If there was a natural section to do that, it might be a good idea, but I'm not seeing it. Second, the article contains a lot more than just a "blank form that only includes the date and location for the game." It includes broadcating information, history of when the game was announced, and a background of it being the first All-Star Game in Florida. Honestly, it should be expanded to include the selection process and Miami's preparations for the game. (BTW: it's a minor point, but I know the MLB.com article isn't independent coverage. I included it as evidence from MLB itself confirming the game and additional information). Tavix | Talk 16:38, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
 * There is an existing section entitled "Scheduling" in the Major League Baseball All-Star Game article; why can't that section have a wikitable that includes the date, location, host club and broadcaster for each of the next three All-Star Games after 2015? I can present those core data in a single wikitable of three rows, four columns in a space of four inches wide, by one inch deep, with section-specific redirects to that article section (or another new section of your choosing, e.g., "Future All-Star Games"), and a discussion of the venue selection process.  Is that not better than three blank form articles for 2016, 2017 and 2018?  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 16:54, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
 * if you want to create that table, I'm not against it. I just disagree that they are "blank form" articles. Tavix | Talk 17:05, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Done, sir.

Future MLB All-Star Games

Tavix, is there any other core data you would like to include? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 17:21, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I think that would work (minor correction: you have the stadium and host team flipped in the headings). Really the only thing I could think to add would be a note/comment column to include the other information from those article, but that may be too trivial. I really like that idea, it's a good compromise between having a stubby WP:CRYSTAL-like article and not having the information at all. As such, I struck my "keep" !vote. In my opinion, the best place for this table might be at the bottom of List of Major League Baseball All-Star Games (incorporating the 2015 game into this table and remove it from the bottom of the current one) Then you can have the 2016, 17, and 18 games redirect there. Tavix | Talk 17:50, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Fixed the headers, T. I would be good with including the list of future scheduled games in either the main parent article or the list article.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 18:02, 1 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep - I think there are enough reliable sources at this point to justify keeping it. I don't really see the harm in leaving it, the page can clearly be done using only reliable citations. There's also no risk that it eventually won't happen, it's pretty much a sure thing. mikeman67 (talk) 20:45, 5 June 2015 (UTC)


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