Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2017 North American heat wave


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Randykitty (talk) 15:02, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

2017 North American heat wave

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Smells of WP:SYNTH: compilation of several regional weather reports to claim a global heat wave for North America. Most sources are routine weather reports for summer, peppered with a couple of sensationalist headlines. List of record temperatures in various locations is WP:INDISCRIMINATE. — JFG talk 08:36, 13 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment: 2018 North American heat wave was nominated a week ago by the same user at Articles for deletion/2018 North American heat wave. The result was no consensus. Newslinger (talk) 08:40, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'd like the community to evaluate each of these seasonal "heat wave" articles on its merits. Elevating routine weather to heat wave status does a disservice to readers. Too early to tell if 2018 will have long-term significance. 2016 had not, and the 2017 article looks like manufacturing a "North American heat wave" out of various local reports. SYNTH and MILL indeed. — JFG talk 09:10, 13 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Merge into List of heat waves. This article combines local news events, each of which is individually non-notable, into a single article. To be notable, the article would need secondary sources that evaluate the heat wave across North America as a whole and demonstrate that it is notably unusual from heat waves that occur every summer. Unlike the 2018 article, this 2017 article no longer documents a current event, and I'm unable to find sources showing that this is anything other than a run-of-the-mill heat wave. Newslinger (talk) 08:58, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. The grounded flights are already mentioned in List of heat waves, so a merge is not necessary. A redirect is inappropriate, since the article is not properly named (as it only mentions events in the United States). Newslinger (talk) 04:53, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
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 *  Keep or merge - Many temperature records were set in this heat wave. If the article can not be kept, it should be merged with history in tact to List of heat waves, but not deleted. --Jax 0677 (talk) 14:21, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Inadequately sourced text is not to be merged or moved around Wikipedia. -The Gnome (talk) 07:21, 21 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment : Irrespective of what happens in this AfD, the article's title is misleading, at least the way it's written. If we make the distinction with "Central America", then "North America" is Canada, the U.S., and Mexico; yet the text is about only one country out of the three - and no guesses about which one. The title should clearly denote that the text is about only U.S. regions. -The Gnome (talk) 17:50, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete on the basis of WP:TOOSOON. Meteo events are scientific events, and, as such, are not to be assessed by the popular press. At best, Merge into a list, although that would not be kosher either, yet. -The Gnome (talk) 17:50, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete We do not need a Wikipedia article on every time some weather records are broken. Lasting notability from local events not established. Reywas92Talk 21:29, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NOTNEWS. A heat wave is not automatically notable just because you can list a bunch of record high temperatures — a heat wave has to have significant and sustained effects that generate ongoing coverage beyond just routine weather reports. Bearcat (talk) 12:53, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
 *  Comment - For the first time in a long time, airplanes could not take off due to low air density. --Jax 0677 (talk) 17:32, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Incorrect. This was far from "the first time in a long time." Five years ago, in 2013, "eighteen US Airways flights scheduled to take off from Phoenix were cancelled as temperatures reached 48.3 C (119 F)," per sample source. -The Gnome (talk) 08:13, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
 * That's a routine situation in aviation: see Hot and high. — JFG talk 13:19, 16 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete. Nothing that really surpasses an ordinary heat wave in the current sourcing. Breaking a few records isn't the bar that will satisfy GNG on this subject. You generally need a severe heat wave that causes widespread blackouts, death (beyond a handful of people already vulnerable to heat exposure), etc. Kingofaces43 (talk) 19:03, 19 July 2018 (UTC)


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