Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2017 Syed Modi International Grand Prix Gold


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The result was keep.  So Why  06:53, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

2017 Syed Modi International Grand Prix Gold

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not much coverage in secondary sources and the article is limited to the 2017 event Seraphim System  ( talk ) 11:11, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
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 * Keep this tournament is the series of the Syed Modi International Badminton Championships and already passes WP:SPORTSEVENT.Stvbastian (talk) 04:39, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep Much like what Stvbastian said as its part of the 2017 BWF Season and as it has been a Grand Prix Gold event since 2011 I think it does pass WP:SPORTSEVENT and WP:GNG Matt294069 is coming 23:34, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:20, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete. Per nom, also these badminton events are not notable to stand alone as individual articles. Alternatively a merge can possibly work. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 03:05, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment – Firstly, the above event was a notable one and all of the major Indian newspapers had dedicated full-fledged articles to it. The information present in the article can be reliably & independently sourced, e.g., , , , , , , , ,, , , etc. In fact, Hindi language newspapers had started publishing articles on the event before it was even started, e.g. , , , etc.


 * Secondly, if someone still thinks that it's non-notable, then it's surely a valid case of WP:SPINOFF, as it isn't possible to merge such a huge amount of details of every individual event to the main article. - NitinMlk (talk) 22:41, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
 * It looks like routine coverage of a sports event which is not enough for notability. Yes, we have articles about major events like the Superbowl and the Stanley Cup, but we dont have individual stand alone articles for every American Cup in Gymnastics, just one main article American Cup (gymnastics) which seems to be enough. Seraphim System  ( talk ) 14:49, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
 * American Cup (gymnastics) have stand alone articles in 2015 and 2016 and well justified to complete the main page. So, this subject also worthy as standalone article, like NitinMlk said it isn't possible to merge such a huge amount of details of every individual event to the main article.Stvbastian (talk) 16:47, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Not really, yes there are stand alone articles for those two years of the American Cup, where Olympic gold medalists competed including Simone Biles. That is enough to establish notability for the event. I don't see anything but routine press coverage here, not enough to establish inherent notability. Seraphim System  ( talk ) 22:41, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Routine press coverage is passing mention of match scores/results. But, as I told earlier, five of the sources cited here –, , , , & – were published before the beginning of coverage, i.e. before the event was even started. And they describe each & every relevant detail of the event. In fact, the remaining sources are also dedicated to the event. And read my previous comments to understand my points. - NitinMlk (talk) 20:40, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep: Subject is one of the major badminton tournaments and passes WP:SPORTSEVENT. Event is also covered by reliable sources in detail with almost every Indian newspaper having an article about it. Passes WP:GNG. Pratyush (talk) 17:27, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 01:10, 6 June 2017 (UTC) Delete This article does not pass WP:SPORTSEVENT as stated. The relevant line: Articles about notable games should have well-sourced prose, not merely a list of stats. This is a problem with a lot of badminton events. It is also a problem with a lot of other sports events. WP:NOT.

Also against the bid that it qualifies for WP:SPORTSEVENT; it is not the final series, it is one set of matches in a series; it is not a college bowl game; it is not an exhibition or all-star game; and it was not covered outside of the routine coverage of badminton matches of this sort.

This event did not receive coverage to warrant notability. This event will not have a huge impact on the future of badminton as we know it and did not have suitable coverage for notability.The coverage was short term (only lasting for the duration of the event, and enough time to hit the papers). The coverage (looking at the major Indian newspaper coverage from above) was all routine, some of it is the same exact copy published in different papers - of particular note, the First Post and Indian Express articles are the same, the First Post's just cuts off at an earlier paragraph. About 2/3 of the articles are all written by PTI, the Associated Press equivalent in India. The only substantial coverage I could find from above was The IB Times which is the only one to mention that players were dropping out like crazy at the last minute. A substantial problem for the tournament. Or this lovely tidbit from the Patrika article (which is also word-for-word the same as the lnvindia article) that there would be a blood drive at the event - no clue if it actually happened, though because I don't have any other sources.

Being one of 28 tournaments in one of 8 (skipping individual tournaments) such series doesn't make it a major tournament unless something spectacular happens. By my count, (assuming that each series has half the number of tournaments, and this is the exception) that makes it one of ~110 "major" tournaments per year. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Menaechmi (talk • contribs) 20:55, 7 June 2017 (UTC) Keep per comments below. menaechmi (talk) 20:26, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment – Your whole analysis sounds like WP:JDLI. Even in the articles of Rajasthan Patrika, Hindustan (newspaper) , and others – which give good overview of the event & its every relevant detail – all you could find is the mention of "blood drive". In fact, that "lovely tidbit" is what you call a routine coverage or a passing mention. And don't worry, blood donation did happen. ;) As far as "well-sourced prose" is concerned, the above sources are sufficient for that, but no one is forced to clean-up articles during AFDs, as presence of reliable sources is enough. Also, you mentioned that "it is not the final series, it is one set of matches in a series". What does that even mean? The above event is a full-fledged international tournament, which is organised annually, and it awards world ranking points. Anyway, for those who just don't like badminton-related articles, the above one will still remain a valid spinoff, as explained by me earlier. In fact, WP:SPORTSEVENT also states the same point: "For a games or series that is already covered as a subtopic in another article, consider developing the topic in the existing article first until it becomes clearer that a standalone article is warranted." And as you can see, the above article is already quite long. Finally, don't limit yourself to the sources provided be me, as you can find a large no. of other sources by searching terms like syed modi badminton 2017, Syed Modi India Grand Prix Gold 2017, Syed Modi gpg 2017, etc. - NitinMlk (talk) 21:29, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
 * You know, it does sound like that, doesn't it? And that's just not right. You have effectively and clearly refuted the points that I made, and I have withdrawn the delete because you have a valid point, with the addition of the blood drive it (and the amount of money awarded to rankings etc.) there really is no reason to delete this article. I think I realized that halfway through and then for some reason kept going. This has the potential for quite a bit more than what it has now, and it will probably get there eventually. It definitely doesn't qualify for deletion under under the nom. menaechmi (talk) 20:26, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for such a thoughtful response. - NitinMlk (talk) 20:40, 12 June 2017 (UTC)


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