Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2018–19 The New Saints F.C. season


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The result was delete. Spartaz Humbug! 08:21, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

2018–19 The New Saints F.C. season

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Fails WP:NSEASONS as the Welsh Premier League is not a "top, professional league" (most clubs are semi-professional). Prod removed by article creator with no explanation. Number  5  7  17:02, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
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 * Weak keep I don't think that's the proper reading of WP:NSEASONS as it continues that those seasons almost always meet the notability requirements, meaning it needs to be analysed on WP:GNG grounds - and while this article is probably worthy of deleting as it stands, there's probably at least enough on the six games in the European qualifying rounds to pass WP:GNG per WP:NEXIST. SportingFlyer  talk  23:53, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
 * It is a proper reading of it; please see previous AfDs like this one where it is agreed that there is clear consensus that when applied to football, NSEASONS requires a league to be fully-professional. Also, there are already articles on the European competitions (and indeed all the competitions that the club plays in with the exception of the Welsh Cup, although that article is likely to appear given that we have them for the last ten seasons), so there's no reason for that information to be replicated here. Number   5  7  00:29, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I disagree, it's not an exclusionary guideline but rather one that points to GNG. SportingFlyer  talk  00:35, 24 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep Although it fails WP:NSEASONS, we still need to look at WP:GNG, which it passes as explained. Yes, NSEASONS requires a league to be fully professional, but if an article meets GNG, it should be kept regardless of any SNG. Smartyllama (talk) 16:23, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails WP:NSEASONS. Fails WP:GNG cos any sources will be WP:ROUTINE. Suggestions that the 6 European ties make the whole season notable are wrong. TNS lost 5-4 in the CL and benefited from the drop down to the EL rule, scraped past Lincoln before losing to Midtjylland. [] saw deletion of a similar article with playing in the CL not enough to keep it.Dougal18 (talk) 19:06, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - no evidence of notability. No sources presented to show it meets GNG. Unsure why other editors (who, respectfully, should know better) are making the assumption it meets GNG without providing any actual sources... GiantSnowman 09:48, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - fails WP:NSEASONS and there's no evidence this season is notable enough to meet WP:GNG. TNS have had considerably more notable seasons than this in recent history so I'm not sure why this one would deserve an article. Kosack (talk) 20:22, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
 * WP:OTHERSTUFFDOESNTEXIST ("Delete We do not have an article on y, so we should not have an article on this. – EmpressOtherstuff"). Jmorrison230582 (talk) 08:54, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
 * My point was why is this season actually notable. TNS play in these competitions every year so why do the sources go beyond routine for this particular season? Kosack (talk) 09:17, 29 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep. Although the Welsh league is mostly semi-pro, TNS themselves are fully-pro and they have competed against other fully-pro clubs in supranational competitions (e.g. FC Midtjylland). Jmorrison230582 (talk) 08:53, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
 * None of which actually meets the notability criteria in WP:NSEASONS. Kosack (talk) 09:17, 29 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete as failing GNG. NSEASONS is not met either but this of course is just a help to see if it will because The guideline on this page provides bright-line guidance to enable editors to determine quickly if a subject is likely to meet the General Notability Guideline. Rather sick of seeing Wikipedia becoming just a mass of statistics pages for sports fans. Dom from Paris (talk) 18:06, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. Subject fails WP:NSEASON. Just another item for Wikipedia's rather long and getting longer by the day indiscriminate listings of information. -The Gnome (talk) 05:03, 1 December 2018 (UTC)


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