Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2018–2020 Irish anti-immigration protests


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. "Delete and merge" isn't possible.  Sandstein  19:21, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

2018–2020 Irish anti-immigration protests

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Previous to the creation of this article, it's creation was discussed on Talk:2022–2023 Irish anti-immigration protests. The creator of the article asked for feedback about the 2018 to 2020 period, and was informed by two other users (myself and another) that the period between 2018 to 2020 was not an interconnected phenomenon in the same way the protests in 2022 to 2023 were. Another user was more open to the idea, but felt the information should be kept strictly to the already existing 2022–2023 Irish anti-immigration protests article. I think the creator made this new article in good faith but went against consensus to do so, and made a number of other errors in the process.

The new article is a clone of 2022–2023 Irish anti-immigration protests and includes sentences copypasted from the original, but simply tweaked to say 2018. This is highly problematic for a number of reasons. Firstly, this means that the new article is a work of WP:Synthesis and WP:Original Research. While there were a few isolated incidents of anti-immigrant protests in Ireland in that period, none of the sources used in this new article indicates that they were interconnected, as the sources in 2022–2023 Irish anti-immigration protests do. Secondly, the new article is immediately rife with inaccurate information; the 2018 to 2020 protests were against "direct provision centres" for long-term refugees, rather than "temporary refugee shelters" for short-term refugees fleeing the war in Ukraine, so this in an immediate obvious error. The new article, cloning the old article, mentions the presence of far-right elements in these protests, but the source is from 2022 and the source is discussing the 2022 to 2023 period. This is another immediate obvious error/misattribution.

The new article is thus filled with many inaccuracies and muddles events that occurred in the 2018 to 2020 period with events that occurred in 2022 and 2023. This new article should have been much better researched and written if it was going to be written at all, which I don't think it should have been all things considered.

As the creator was already encouraged, I think the creator would be better served working on the background section of 2022–2023 Irish anti-immigration protests rather than creating a separate, new article. CeltBrowne (talk) 09:35, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
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 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Events, Politics,  and Ireland.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 10:35, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

Proposer's argument is quite muddled, and mischaracterises talk page contributions made by other editors. There was a series of anti-refugee protests in Ireland from 2018-20, and another ongoing series started in 2022. The debate, with four contributors, was over whether to move the 2022-23 article to include the first series of protests, or to start a new article to cover them. The new article was started soon after the proposer voiced opposition to including the subject matter in the 2022-23 article. Now they seem to be in support of inclusion.Stara Marusya (talk) 10:44, 11 March 2023 (UTC)


 * As I've clarified on the 2022-2023 talk page, I always opposed the creation of a new article, but if people were adamant about discussing 2018 to 2020, I said was open to that being included in the background section of 2022-2023. I've reread what I said in my original comment and I still think I was fairly clear about that.
 * Regardless of what I said, two other editors also voiced their opinions. One said either make a new article or expand the original, and the second replied they preferred the idea of expanding the original.
 * From two editors saying they opposed a new article, and a third being on the fence, I'm not sure how you still came to the concussion that a new article was where the consensus was going. CeltBrowne (talk) 11:20, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

Per proposers last comment, I refer anyone interested to Talk:2022–2023_Irish_anti-immigration_protests. Proposer makes reasonable points about state of current new article, which was intended to be a collaboration and not a finished product. These problems can be fixed without much effort, but who wants to edit a page that's proposed for deletion? Stara Marusya (talk) 11:50, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. The nominator seems to be right that, which is the core of the issue. The article doesn't cite any sources that treat these events as a single phenomenon or a series of collected events, and I haven't been able to find any (by contrast, there are plenty describing ongoing protests in those terms: , , , for example). As such, there's no basis for an article on this topic. Stara Marusya seems to be right that some of the issues raised by the nominator are fixable, but that's really moot here as there's a deeper-rooted WP:OR/WP:N problem. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 15:09, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Core? Nominator was the only to raise interconnectedness in the discussion. The Journal article discusses connections between the earlier protests, and the connections between some of the later ones don't appear to always be as strong as implied. Also, why delete? Nominator seems to want to merge. Stara Marusya (talk) 20:47, 14 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete and merge any relevant content to the pre-existing 22/23 article, per the consensus on its talk page. Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 13:25, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Consensus? Stara Marusya (talk) 19:37, 17 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete and merge to 23 article. Spleodrach (talk) 12:29, 18 March 2023 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.