Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2018 Bombardier Challenger 604 crash


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. WP: SNOW per WP:IAR; even after discounting the non-policy based arguments of and, there is a unanimous consensus that on this particular article, the community disagrees with the nominator as to the precise applicatIon of WP:NOTNEWS. Also, I do not endorse the criticisms of the nomination itself and this is absolutely without prejudice to any past or future noms on similar topics; I also do not endorse Wakari's insistence on replying to multiple posts with tangential observations. (non-admin closure)  —SerialNumber  54129 ...speculates 11:24, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

2018 Bombardier Challenger 604 crash

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WP:NOTNEWS and WP:NOTINHERITED apply to this non-commercial but tragic aviation accident. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 14:17, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Aviation-related deletion discussions. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 14:18, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
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 * Keep. Per WP:RAPID this 11 fatality crash (which included some fairly notable people) on a private international flight from 11 March 2018 is receiving wide international coverage as of 12 March. We are unable to assess future coverage at this time as it requires a BALL, and coverage up to now has been wide, hence RAPID applies. One should also note that this crash passes the criteria set forth in WP:AIRCRASH (yes, an essay) as the Bombardier Challenger 604 has a MTOW of 21,863kg where as the cutoff is 5,670 kg or less for light aircraft, which the Challenger 604 exceeds even in its empty weight of 12,315 kg.Icewhiz (talk) 14:32, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep. Enough media coverage. Important people on board. Rare crash of a Bombardier. ( G a b i n h o >:) 15:51, 12 March 2018 (UTC))
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Turkey-related deletion discussions. Icewhiz (talk) 14:35, 12 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep. Notability is inherited. The article can also be expanded with the origin country of the plane. Wakari07 (talk) 16:50, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment Notability is not inherited per WP guidelines....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 19:27, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I mean the notable subject is dead. It's like argument zero. Wakari07 (talk) 20:24, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep. Per Icewhiz. Also the explanation by OP is not convincing at all. JahlilMA (talk) 18:56, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment It's the first time that I read something like "user page is brought to you by a Florida Corporation and equal opportunity employer" on a Wikipedia user page. Wakari07 (talk) 19:07, 12 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep - fatal plane crashes are generally considered notable. -Zanhe (talk) 19:15, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment No they aren't. Check Articles for deletion/2017 Saint-Bruno mid-air collision and Articles for deletion/Air Cargo Carriers Flight 1260 both fatal air crashes and the articles on them were deleted. That's just from last year....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 19:27, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep - We should definitely keep these kind of airplane crashes. Besides, this specific incident is headlined all major and minor media in Turkey.--Joseph (talk) 20:39, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Snow Keep double-digit casualties, and a breaking news story. power~enwiki ( π, ν ) 21:02, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
 * It's important to note that the "notable" person who died is also at AfD after their page was created in the wake of this incident. Articles for deletion/Mina Başaran. My vote is still "snow keep"; a plane crash with double-digit casualties in the news is unlikely to be deleted immediately. power~enwiki ( π,  ν ) 21:08, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I think also deleting Mina Başaran would still more reduce the usability of Wikipedia. Besides, the templates are ugly. Wakari07 (talk) 21:41, 12 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Speedy Keep - just keep on piling up the Keep !votes. Headlining in most media both national and international. Per WP:RAPID.BabbaQ (talk) 21:23, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep While private jet crashes are often non-notable, this one has unfortunate two-digit death toll and as such decent coverage. Brandmeistertalk  21:25, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
 * KeepSignificant loss of life makes it notable. WWGB (talk) 23:16, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep Many accidents like this have occurred, very tragic examples include 1999 South Dakota Learjet crash, 2008 South Carolina Learjet 60 crash etc etc. Many can be found on the page List of accidents and incidents involving general aviation. Again User:WilliamJE I really do not know why you keep putting articles these up for deletion. I will bring this up on your talk page, yet again...Martinillo (talk) 23:36, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
 * What a mess going for 100k edits like this. Wakari07 (talk) 23:39, 12 March 2018 (UTC) Can't we just merge and redirect Mina Başaran to 2018 Bombardier Challenger 604 crash and remove the (ugly) AfD templates swiftly? Wakari07 (talk) 00:18, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep - Deaths involved locally prominent models. All female plane (pilot and passengers). Seems a unique case that could even be dramatized in Air Crash Investigations. Meganesia (talk) 16:50, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Speedy Keep the nominator has a history of AfDing notable yet recent aviation events, and the snow here shows the AfD was a complete waste of time. SportingFlyer  talk  07:04, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Where is the complaint department really? Wakari07 (talk) 08:48, 13 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep Per all the above.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 08:15, 13 March 2018 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.