Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2018 World U23 Wrestling Championships – Women's freestyle 76 kg


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep one, redirect others.. Black Kite (talk) 09:59, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

2018 World U23 Wrestling Championships – Women's freestyle 76 kg

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fails WP:GNG and WP:NOTSTATS creator refuses the redirect to the competition page as an alternative to deletion so this is the only way to go Dom from Paris (talk) 13:40, 15 November 2018 (UTC) For the same reasons I am nominating the following articles
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. Dom from Paris (talk) 13:41, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
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 * - There actually doesn't appear to be a main article...  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 14:44, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes sorry it's here. 2018 World U23 Wrestling Championship Dom from Paris (talk) 14:56, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. Dom from Paris (talk) 13:41, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
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 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Romania-related deletion discussions. Dom from Paris (talk) 14:08, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
 * - There actually doesn't appear to be a main article...  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 14:44, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes sorry it's here. 2018 World U23 Wrestling Championship Dom from Paris (talk) 14:56, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. Dom from Paris (talk) 13:41, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Wrestling-related deletion discussions. Dom from Paris (talk) 13:41, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Romania-related deletion discussions. Dom from Paris (talk) 14:08, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
 * - There actually doesn't appear to be a main article...  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 14:44, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes sorry it's here. 2018 World U23 Wrestling Championship Dom from Paris (talk) 14:56, 15 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep one I also don't think Worlds U23 is notable enough to have separate pages for each event but there is one article from the World Senior Championship among them. which is notable enough to stay. Mohsen1248 (talk) 14:55, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I would redirect it here 2018 World Wrestling Championships as it is not independently notable and this is just stats. --Dom from Paris (talk) 14:58, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
 * This is a World Senior Championship in an Olympic sport, what's notable if this one is not notable ? this ? this, this, or this ? Mohsen1248 (talk) 15:02, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
 * As per WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS I don't really know but all pages have to be notable, do we need to have all the heats in wikipedia of every sport or just the results? These are simple stats and taken from a single web site which is where a visitor to this page could go to via an external link. Dom from Paris (talk) 15:53, 15 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep the senior one, redirect the others per above. I'm not sure why the senior one was bundled with the others, it should be a procedural keep at the very least as an improper and misleading bundling, but I do think an event at a senior world championship is notable. Junior, not so much. If nominator really thinks the senior one should be deleted too, he should strike it from here and nominate it separately, because bundling it with the others is grossly inappropriate and violates WP:MULTIAFD. Smartyllama (talk) 17:40, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid you'll have to be clearer in your definition of being grossly inappropriate and violating MULTIAFD. I agree that it comes from a different competition but all were created by the same editor with an identical structure and 1 single affiliated source and do not show independent notability from the main competition and violate WP:NOTSTATS. I am not saying that either main competiton is not notable, they porbably are. But individual pages for the different weight categories are not neccessary, there are no sources that specifically talk about any of these particular wieght categories in either competition. This is WP:FANCRUFT and all fail the notability criteria. The articles simply copy information from the competiton website, Wikipedia is not a directory or a mirror of other sites. Dom from Paris (talk) 18:11, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Except that there is a clear consensus that such articles are notable when they are in senior level tournaments, as others pointed out above, and whether it was your intention or not, it's very misleading to have one senior-level article thrown in with a bunch of junior level articles and may confuse people unnecessarily. I wouldn't have noticed it myself if others hadn't pointed it out. Smartyllama (talk) 18:16, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I may have missed the clear consensus, could you point me to the page? I didn't see it on OUTCOMES. As I am saying the competition is notable the final results are notable but the rest is stats and there are specialised websites for that that can be linked from the competition page. Dom from Paris (talk) 18:26, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Regardless, lumping it in with this one is incredibly confusing, and judging by the below !vote by it appears to have confused yet another person. At the very least, that one should be closed as procedural keep for being lumped in with the others since multiple users, myself included, have been confused about what is going on here. If you want to strike it here and start a new AfD, we can discuss it there, but it shouldn't be lumped in with the juniors. Smartyllama (talk) 18:32, 15 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete all except 2018 World Wrestling Championships – Women's freestyle 53 kg. If it was for the highest order of competition (i.e. all ages) then it would be acceptable, but for an under 23 competition, nope. Almost all competitors across the entire competition don't qualify for notability. Ajf773 (talk) 18:21, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
 * See, this is what I'm talking about, with it being confusing. One of the articles is for the highest level of competition (all ages) and was inexplicably lumped in with this one., were you aware of that, because from your phrasing it sounds like you weren't. Smartyllama (talk) 18:28, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Then we ought to remove that from the bundle and focus on the rest. Ajf773 (talk) 18:34, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
 * That's what I said. But the nominator refuses to do so. Smartyllama (talk) 18:35, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
 * To anyone who may be confused by the above thread, this is what Ajf's !vote looked like originally, before I replied as to what was going on. Smartyllama (talk) 18:38, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Look I personally do not think there is much of a difference, notability is not shown for any of them there is 1 source and they have the same structure and created by the same editor. You guys do not agree with me and that's fine because that's what discussions are for. If the consensus at the end is to keep the senior and delete the others that's fine by me that's how consensus works. Dom from Paris (talk) 20:00, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Just to add a bit more context WP:NSPORTS notably WP:NOLYMPICS says "Events at individual Summer or Winter Olympic or Paralympic Games are considered notable" but says nothing about anyother kind of events. WP:ROUTINE says "Routine events such as sports matches, film premieres, press conferences etc. may be better covered as part of another article, if at all." the competition is very likely to be notable and I have no problem with that but each individual event has to meet notability criteria and as per WP:SPORTSEVENT "For a games or series that is already covered as a subtopic in another article, consider developing the topic in the existing article first until it becomes clearer that a standalone article is warranted. Although a game or series may be notable, it may sometimes be better to present the topic in an existing article on a broader topic instead of creating a new standalone page." To have a standalone page individual notability has to be met. Dom from Paris (talk) 14:34, 16 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep. This is a ridiculous nomination. Sources do exist  etc. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 03:50, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
 * This is exactly the kind of source that is needed for the result of the final and backs up what I am saying but this does not make the whole series notable enough to warrant a page. It covers her victory in the final. As per WP:NOTSTATS Wikipedia is not a stats site for sportsfans. There are specialised sites for that. Dom from Paris (talk) 06:29, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
 * This isn't a season-long competition, though. It's one event with multiple rounds. The final is part of that event, not some distinct thing that can be separated from the rest of it like, say, the World Cup Final. Smartyllama (talk) 13:14, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Where is the coverage of the different rounds to show that as a whole the series meets WP:GNG? Dom from Paris (talk) 16:42, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
 * That's not how these things work. That's like saying because there was no coverage of the 34th minute of the World Cup Final, it's not notable. It's one event. There is coverage of the event. That is enough to pass GNG. Obviously each of the rounds aren't independently notable - that's why we don't have separate articles about each round. But the event as a whole is notable. Smartyllama (talk) 14:54, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete or redirect (to the main articles) I don't see how any of these meet WP:NOLYMPICS or GNG. The results, the only thing in these articles, can be covered in the main articles if desired. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 05:24, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sam Sailor 13:41, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment Consensus seems pretty clear to keep the senior one and delete or redirect the rest. I don't know why this was relisted once and I really hope it isn't relisted again. Smartyllama (talk) 15:50, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
 * The trouble is that I have asked where the sources are to show notability for the senior one because there are no policy or guideline based arguments to show why this article should be exempt. The reply to that request was "That's not how these things work." The article 2018 World Wrestling Championships – Women's freestyle 53 kg has a sum total of 0 indepth coverage in independent reliable sources to show it meets GNG. Dom from Paris (talk) 16:44, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I think you're misunderstanding what was said. provided several sources showing coverage of the final, which I and several others said was sufficient to establish notability for the whole event, as the final is not a distinct part of it that should be treated separately. That's what I meant by "That's not how this works." You can't say that there's coverage of the final but not the whole event. The final is part of the event. Of course, you disagreed, but that doesn't seem to be consensus. Smartyllama (talk) 21:30, 30 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep the main article, in line with our usual practice on athletics.  DGG ( talk ) 20:33, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
 * The main articles (2018 World U23 Wrestling Championship and 2018 World Wrestling Championships) haven't been nominated for deletion here. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 20:40, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm glad you clarified this, because it was unclear from the discussion. I have no comment otherwise.  DGG ( talk ) 23:59, 30 November 2018 (UTC)


 * I don't have a preference here (nearly every argument now seem valid) but what do people think about a merge of every article to just one encompassing all U23 competitions? Redditaddict69 (talk) (contribs)  00:34, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
 * That would be fine for me for the U23 competitions as long as we keep in mind WP:TOOLONG when determining what content to keep. If we redirect those per WP:ATD, we can figure out what to do with the content later. That's not really an AfD issue. The senior events should still have their own articles, though, IMO, and I still don't know why that one was included in this AfD. Smartyllama (talk) 01:07, 2 December 2018 (UTC)


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