Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2018 allegations of 1984 LDS missionary-trainees' abuse


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Unanimous consensus to delete. The suggested redirect seems like an implausible search term, so I'm not going to create that. -- RoySmith (talk) 01:01, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

2018 allegations of 1984 LDS missionary-trainees' abuse

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This article was originally spun off from Joseph Bishop as Joseph Bishop sexual abuse allegations after the section on the allegations within the parent article was substantially expanded. The subject is accused but not convicted. Additionally, the subject is non-notable according to the article creator, as they have taken the parent article to AfD, and if that is so the article falls foul of WP:BLPCRIME and should be removed. Furthemore, the allegations, if proven, may be abhorrent but they are not uncommon so of themselves do not meet the criteria for an article. The LDS church connection may make this more notable but in which case the encyclopaedic approach would be to examine the effect on, and response of, the church itself within e.g. Mormon abuse cases (c.f. Catholic Church sexual abuse cases). In that context the specific accusations in a separate article are both unjustified and WP:UNDUE. Dorsetonian (talk) 20:30, 26 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete I've been following this since the beginningwhen I mainspaced the Joseph Bishop page via AfC. Bishop meets WP:PROF at least for being President of Weber State College. The allegations shoild be briefly summarized in his bio and that is all that is warranted. Legacypac (talk) 20:37, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Procedurally speedily close AfD and turn into a redirect-->"Mormon abuse cases" - Per extremely applicable considerations referenced @ wp:BLPCRIME, blp guidelines's being SACROSANCT on WP.-Hodgdon&#39;s secret garden (talk) 22:06, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
 * cmt - WPdia operates by a higher standard than the MSM. We note that the noteriety caused by these missionary trainees' alegations, owing to their having received full- article or news segment treatments in a half-dozen additional US-based religion-themed periodicals, a dozen regional or city newspapers and broadcast news outlets in ID, AZ and UT, as well as in the NYT, WaPo, FNC, HuffPo, USNews&WorldRpt, and other various national US news publications, those in the UK and elsewhere, and that in the US, accusations such as these render the accused an inadvertent See: wp:Publicfigure. public figure (someone notable but for a single event viz. the allegations themselves).--Hodgdon&#39;s secret garden (talk) 22:06, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
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 * Delete The problem here is that the allegations are all directed against one person (Joseph Bishop). There are two people who have made allegations against Bishop, although the exact nature of the allegations by the second person is less than clear. At least this title goes against not news guidelines. There may be something about the allegations against Bishop. However until there are allegations against anyone except Bishop the article is misnamed.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:08, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Per sources, there is more than one alleged victim:
 * "[...]a woman's accusation that a former president of the Missionary Training Center named Joseph Bishop raped her while she was a missionary at the Provo complex in 1984 and molested another missionary[...]."---March 26 Deseret News (link)
 * "the church — in its second statement to the public — admitted that church leaders have known about multiple women making allegations against Bishop since at least 2010."---piece last week in the Provo Utah Daily Herald (link)
 * "The religion this week announced updated guidelines for the reporting of sexual abuse following news that a former prominent missionary leader was accused of sexually assaulting two women in the 1980s."---March 31 (i.e., yesterday) piece from the AP (link)
 * "We are aware of one other woman[...]who informed her local ecclesiastical leaders that she was sexually abused by Joseph Bishop while he served as president of the Missionary Training Center. When she reported the alleged abuse to her local Church leaders in 2010[...]."March 23 MormonNewsroom.org press release --Hodgdon&#39;s secret garden (talk) 10:14, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

Comment: For some reason I thought this was eligible to close. It hasn't been 7 days, and I had no intent to close this early. I've reverted myself and will leave this for someone else at the appropriate time. Xymmax So let it be written   So let it be done  12:53, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
 * cmt - Albeit wp:BLPCRIME places a prohibition on mentioning mere allegations of improprieties en toto...this would be within regard to non-public figures, since wp:PUBLICFIGURE clearly says that when such allegations have received plenty of coverage they in fact are to be included! W rgd Bishop, it's possible his blp--ahem, the one I myself nommed for (possible) deletion--actually won't be, owing it would seem a long-term practice of Wikipedia's considering presidents of accredited 4-year higher-learning institutions automatically notable. And should this end up being the case, all bets must be off again w rgd no mention being given these allegations against him--because obviously it would not necessarily libel Bishop more/less to delve more/less granularly with the same (link) (sort of akin to the idea that someone cannot be only part-way pregnant).--Hodgdon&#39;s secret garden (talk) 05:50, 1 April 2018 (UTC)


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