Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2019–20 CSA Steaua București (football) season


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The result was no consensus. No clear consensus achieved, some sources presented that would seem to indicate potential GNG, but there seemed little appetite to discuss them and the week extention led to no further comments. Not against renomination at a future date but I don't think we're going to resolve things one way or the other here. Fenix down (talk) 09:55, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

2019–20 CSA Steaua București (football) season

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This was article was prodded but was considered "objection to deletion" by the author with the full talk page noted here. What I am saying here is the fact that the article fails WP:NSEASONS and WP:GNG. I am also nominating this article for the same reason.
 * HawkAussie (talk) 23:34, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. HawkAussie (talk) 23:34, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. HawkAussie (talk) 23:34, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Romania-related deletion discussions. HawkAussie (talk) 23:34, 24 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep - To put it short, it's arguably the biggest football team in Romania. Every season should be documented. Also, the 2020-21 season is being played in a professional league. My full reasoning can be found on the talk page, where I addressed every complaint. Dante4786 (talk) 07:12, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
 * If you believe that Liga III is fully professional then please start a discussion at WT:FPL Spiderone  21:45, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * It's not about believing. It's a fact. Sorry, but WikiProject is a bit out of my comfort zone. I never wrote there, I don't know how and at the moment I'm a little preoccupied with my articles getting erased. Maybe try Category:Professional sports leagues in Romania or: Romanian football league system. "The first three leagues are organized at a national level and consist of fully professional teams" - this is true. Dante4786 (talk) 00:04, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
 * That statement about being fully professional is unfortunately unsourced. Spiderone  09:06, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Whether the team is fully-professional or not (and it surely is), doesn't matter - it's a red herring. WP:NSEASONS only requires that the league is professional, not fully-professional, and it's been met. There's no end if media coverage for this season, so GNG is met as well. Nfitz (talk) 19:40, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Liga IV is professional now is it? Spiderone  21:10, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Mea culpa, for some reason I saw II not IV. Gosh, was I googling the wrong Bucharest team as well? Nfitz (talk) 05:19, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
 * No worries, we've all done it! Spiderone  10:49, 29 December 2020 (UTC)


 * I think Articles for deletion/2012–13 Rangers F.C. season is about a comparable article. Phil Bridger (talk) 08:52, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
 * The fundamental difference is that GNG was clearly demonstrated by multiple sources showing significant coverage of that particular season, in spite of the fact that they were playing in a semi-pro league. More comparable AfDs would be 2009–10 AFC Wimbledon season, 2020–21 Deportivo de La Coruña season and 2019–20 FC Universitatea Cluj season; a club having a rich history does not make all of its seasons default notable. Spiderone  21:45, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't know what kind of sources you want. From what I have seen, pages on football seasons don't have sources after every match. Also, saying Universitatea Cluj is like Steaua is a bad comparison. Steaua (like Rangers) is the team with the most national titles. Comparing Cluj to Steaua is like comparing Sampdoria to Juventus. Dante4786 (talk) 00:04, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 16:10, 27 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete - insufficient sources to meet GNG. If any can be find then please ping me. GiantSnowman 16:18, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Done. See below. Dante4786 (talk) 00:04, 28 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete both - unlike the Rangers article mentioned above, these two seasons evidently fail WP:GNG and should either be deleted or redirected to CSA Steaua București as per guidance at WP:NSEASONS. Yes, they won the European Cup in 1986 but we're not talking about the notability of the 1985-86 season are we? If sources can be found, discussing the events of either of these seasons in significant detail, then I will be happy to change my vote. At the moment both articles are redundant WP:CONTENTFORK articles. Wikipedia is not an exhaustive stats directory nor a football almanac Spiderone  21:40, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * "If sources can be found" - how many do you want? Here is a source after the first game (from the previous season. Date: 24 august 2019): https://ziare.com/steaua/stiri-steaua/csa-steaua-invinge-rivala-rapid-la-debutul-ligii-4-intr-un-meci-in-care-a-marcat-de-noua-ori-1574739. To save time, let's skip a few weeks. Here is another source (https://www.gsp.ro/fotbal/liga-4/csa-steaua-rapid-fng-10-0-video-ros-albastrii-au-facut-spectacol-incidente-cu-ultrasii-in-prim-plan-579909.html), about a new game, this time from 12 october 2019. Another source (february 2020): https://www.prosport.ro/fotbal-intern/steaua-a-facut-o-praf-pe-dinamo-echipa-lui-daniel-oprita-a-castigat-cu-9-1-derby-ul-din-liga-4-video-18991588. Here are 2 articles about transfers and the upcoming playoff, from june 2020: https://www.prosport.ro/fotbal-intern/liga-3/csa-steaua-face-transferuri-de-liga-1-doi-fotbalisti-apropiati-de-ai-lui-oprita-au-fost-antamati-si-vor-ajuta-la-promovare-exclusiv-19035913 and https://liga2.prosport.ro/seria-1/steaua-isi-ia-doi-jucatori-din-liga-2-pentru-a-nu-avea-emotii-sa-devina-campioana-in-liga-4-si-sa-promoveze-in-liga-3-oprita-isi-aduce-inca-doi-fosti-elevi-de-la-juventus-19134508. Here is a source from Eurosport (august 2020), about how fans arrived at the stadion, despite the quarantine: https://www.eurosport.ro/fotbal/csa-steaua-baraj-liga-3_sto7822825/story.shtml. Another source, after the first game from the playoff: https://www.digisport.ro/fotbal/steaua-la-o-singura-victorie-de-promovarea-in-liga-3-baraganul-ciulnita-ultima-adversara-a-echipei-lui-oprita-883674. Here is a source from 8 september 2020, about the new kit, the transfers and the new season in general: https://liga2.prosport.ro/liga-3/foto-steaua-si-a-prezentat-echipamentul-de-joc-pentru-liga-3-19146997. Here is a source from 22 september 2020, after the team got eliminated in the cup: https://www.gsp.ro/fotbal/cupa-romaniei/csa-steaua-eliminata-din-cupa-romaniei-ros-albastrii-pierd-dramatic-cu-popesti-leordeni-610924.html. And these are just a few. There are plenty more. Dante4786 (talk) 00:04, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
 * This appears to be WP:ROUTINE coverage - match reports etc. It is not the significant coverage of the topic required by GNG. GiantSnowman 08:31, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't understand what type of coverage do you want. Literature and gossip? We're talking about sports, this is the type of coverage we get even for 1st division teams. And the same type of coverage that Rangers was having. If it was ok then, it should be ok now. Dante4786 (talk) 10:30, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
 * You can't expect anything from the Wikiproject Football members apart from a repetition of the long-discredited "fully professional league" mantra and an insistence that English and Scottish football are notable but football elsewhere is not. Phil Bridger (talk) 20:52, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
 * This sucks, dude. This team is literally an icon for Romania (alongside Dracula, Dacia, Nadia or Hagi). Saying this team is not notable is an insult to football from Eastern Europe. Dante4786 (talk) 12:20, 29 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete: I originally agreed with the OP here, and that it should be seen as a similar situation to Rangers, but then noticed they'd been stuck down there for quite some time. They don't really seem to be a notable team any more due to being stuck in the lower tiers.Muur (talk) 03:56, 29 December 2020 (UTC)Muur (talk) 03:53, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
 * But it IS similar to Rangers. Steaua failed to promote twice. Rangers failed to promote once. Steaua is literally one of the few teams from Romania that manages to bring fans to the stadium (before the covid pandemic). It achieved a national record for stadium attendance in the 4th (FOURTH!) division. Next year, they are set to play on a new stadium (over 30.000 seating capacity). Steaua, in the 3rd league, gets more media coverage than most teams from the first romanian division. Dante4786 (talk) 12:20, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. North America1000 10:54, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Seems to be some sourcing provided that could go beyond routine match reporting. Further discussion necessary to explore this and get a clearer consensus.
 * Keep Haven't all the sports deletionists been screaming for years about how the GNG should supersede the SNG? It works both ways. This article clearly meets GNG even if it fails NSEASONS, and so should be kept. I agree the Rangers article is a good analogy. Smartyllama (talk) 21:57, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Fenix down (talk) 23:49, 31 December 2020 (UTC)


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