Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2019 Games of the Small States of Europe


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 15:44, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

2019 Games of the Small States of Europe

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This article should be deleted as it fails WP:CRYSTAL as it is an article about a future event that cannot be verified using a reliable and independent source. -KAP03(Talk &bull;&#32;Contributions &bull;&#32;Email) 13:27, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete: Source is not reliable, and violates CRYSTAL anyway. KGirlTrucker81 huh? what I've been doing 13:31, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:NEXIST, to wit, "The absence of sources or citations in an article (as distinct from the non-existence of sources) does not indicate that a subject is not notable. Notability requires only the existence of suitable independent, reliable sources, not their immediate presence or citation in an article." Games of the Small States of Europe has several sources, including two in Montenegrin (perfectly fine, as English is not required for reliability of sources) and This source which is a perfectly reliable English source.  The games are going to take place, and the site has been announced, this is no different from upcoming Olympics, etc. -- Jayron 32 13:42, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:CRYSTAL #1: "Individual scheduled or expected future events should be included only if the event is notable and almost certain to take place." As Jayron points out, this is the case. A short Google News search finds the source Jayron points out and more, so it seems WP:BEFORE was violated. Regards  So Why  15:20, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 01:15, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 01:15, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Europe-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 01:15, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 01:34, 23 May 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep Article includes citation from Times of Malta, which is an independent source. As such, this does not violate WP:CRYSTAL, contrary to nom's assertions. Smartyllama (talk) 20:34, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Redirect to the GSSE main page and keep the links for this article. Maybe WP:TOOSOON? Asturkian (talk) 08:51, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. Host is known already, and participating nations are known. Not a crystall ball. 185.59.158.22 (talk) 09:46, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep Montenegro has already presented itself on the current GSSE. Source. It seems that dates are wrong thou. Also, it is first next GSSE, so it should not be treated as Crystal. Edit: Montenegrin Olympic Committee has also announced on its official website this event (in Montenegrin) here. And the official website is up and running and can be seen here. It reinstates that it is not Crystal. Requiem mn. (talk) 17:26, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  J 947(c) (m) 18:56, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep As is argued well by several users above, it seems that there is enough known about the event and enough certainty that it will happen that I do not think this violates WP:CRYSTAL Dunarc (talk) 19:04, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep upcoming edition that already have host, dates and etc. selected. Bearas (talk) 05:19, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep as argued above; see also WP:HAMMER. It's going to take place in two years. If it were five or six years in the future, I would go against it. Bearian (talk) 23:30, 5 June 2017 (UTC)


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