Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2019 Indian heat wave


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. RL0919 (talk) 11:42, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

2019 Indian heat wave

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Any reason why this does an individual article? It said the highest recorded temperature is in 2016, this seems we should have an yearly article on Indian summer heat? Viztor (talk) 09:15, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
 * My rationale for adding the article: this 2019 heat wave had temperatures exceeding 50 degrees Celsius; and 17 people have been reported dead already. I thought readers might want to learn the significance of the >50 degree temperatures in comparison to the record high. Merlin s  orca  18:23, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. Viztor (talk) 09:15, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Viztor (talk) 09:15, 4 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete. This is not a particularly remarkable heat wave, and Wikipedia is not The Weather Channel. Clarityfiend (talk) 18:49, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment; the Main Page has a news section (where 11 people drowned in a boating accident, but who's counting?), and news channels also cover the weather. -- Shyam Has Your Anomaly Mitigated (talk) 09:26, 5 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep - 17 dead certainly seems notable. There is WP:SIGCOV for the subject of the article in the references provided. We'll have to wait to see whether the impact is WP:LASTING. The article was probably written too soon. FOARP (talk) 22:01, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment. 17 deaths is not especially high in terms of Indian heat waves. This is surprising given the high temperature.  This may end up being notable, but the article was created WP:TOOSOON.  According to our articles, 2015 Indian heat wave had 2,500 deaths, 2002 India heat wave, 1,030, 2016 Indian heat wave, 1,600.  This newspaper reports 2,500 dead in 1998 and mentions that 1956 had an even higher temperature. This newspaper reports 350 deaths in 1995 while the heat wave was still ongoing. SpinningSpark 23:50, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep. Although, as I said above, this was probably created TOOSOON, the unusually high temperature being reached suggests this is going to be a significant event.  The 1998 heatwave was a degree or two lower but still killed thousands. Also, the nom seems to have been made on the premise that we don't have articles on India summer heat, which is demonstrably false. SpinningSpark 06:48, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep per keepers. Johnbod (talk) 15:02, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep Just because a weather event happens regularly doesn't mean it lacks notability. When it has a massive effect even weather events that happen multiple times a year (e.g. hurricanes) are notable. I would have loved to see this be created after a bit more time, TOOSOON is a real concern, but between having and not having this article we should have it - the sourcing is present to suggest it passes GNG and will have lasting notability beyond just this year. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 01:50, 6 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep; considering the temperature is notable by comparison, and a low death rate would be the notable result that heat-health warning systems have played an extremely important role in reducing deaths, including free water and reflective roof paint, indicating their efforts to cut heat deaths to zero are having an impact. -- Shyam Has Your Anomaly Mitigated (talk) 07:08, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep The references present in the page present an in depth coverage of the subject (WP:SIGCOV). The temperatures have reached near maximum level ever recorded in history which will ensure lasting notability (WP:LASTING). Atleast 17 people have died and this is not the end of heat wave. Pratyush (talk) 10:39, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
 *  Keep or merge - Keep, or merge to List of heat waves. --Jax 0677 (talk) 17:35, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment The problem with heatwave and other seasonal meteorological phenomenons is that there are not going to be a lot to write about them, so unless one is an unprecedented event, I don't think we should have an article for each. And, yes, it is important, but if that happens every year, we are not going to document similar things each year in a separate article, there simply won't be anything left to write about besides basic informations, all the rest aren't going to be so different. This is especially so when this is such an early time to write anything about it or even know if it is important. Viztor (talk) 08:19, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
 * , If something happens regularly, that doesn't mean it's not important, but it does means we either have to repeat a lot things, like 90%, in these articles or we are left with simple facts. Viztor (talk) 08:24, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
 * We don't exclude events because they happen regularly. We base inclusion on whether they have lasting notability.  We have multiple articles on hurricanes and earthquakes for every year going back decades.  Notable heat waves are much rarer than those events.  They do not occur every year, or even most years, by any means, although they are becoming more frequent. SpinningSpark 10:22, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Things that happen regularly: sporting competitions, elections, television programs . . . need I go on? Simple regularity doesn't make something not notable. Lack of significant coverage and lasting impact makes an event non-notable. FOARP (talk) 11:11, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
 * As others have mentioned, you could say the same thing about hurricanes. We write multiple articles about those per year, even for the ones that cause 0 or minimal fatalities and even if the information in them is similar. See Tropical Storm Cindy (2017) and Tropical Storm Emily (2017). This heat wave has at least 28 dead since May 31, and it's still going on. Plus, each heat wave will have a different background or "meteorological history", different areas affected, different temperatures for each area, different number of fatalities and damage, and a government response or preparation specific to the situation. There's already plenty of information out there to differentiate this one, I think we just haven't given it enough research or focus. Merlin  s  orca  13:11, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
 * This should not be compared like that. When a huge hurricane came "with a name", which has an international standard, you know for sure it is notable. However, this is not the case for heat wave, which is unnamed and has no international standard, and in most cases rather normal weather phenomenon, this is summer, and only notable in extreme cases. It is impossible to assert importance based all there is when it has only began, and have not reached its peak, We can't WP:CRYSTAL know if it is important. I will reserve my judgement for later months.Viztor (talk) 21:41, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
 * The idea that we can only cover things that have "names" strike me as incorrect. We have tornado related coverage and those don't have names. Bigger picture, I agree I would have preferred to see the article wait to be created but it was created and the heatwave continues. The fact that we have ongoing high quality RS from around the world covering it suggesting that it is indeed out of the ordinary. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 22:02, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Also, after reading up on this subject, I don't believe the article was created too soon. The heat wave has been going on since May and had already killed dozens of people. As of today there has been: near record high >50 degree temperatures; water poured on melting streets; additional deaths/injures in fights due to water shortages; police being deployed. All of which has been amply covered in reliable sources. Merlin  s  orca  00:56, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * If I really thought it was TOOSOON I'd have voted something like draftify or delete. My overall assessment is in-line with you that this is a notable event. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 00:58, 11 June 2019 (UTC)


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