Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2019 The Hague stabbing


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The result was delete. The consensus has shifted to delete. Tone 18:10, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

2019 The Hague stabbing

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Not terrorism, no deaths, WP:NOTNEWS. No more than a knife attack by a homeless man. WWGB (talk) 00:44, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. WWGB (talk) 00:44, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Netherlands-related deletion discussions. WWGB (talk) 00:44, 1 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep - passes WP:GNG due to significant media coverage. Also, claiming it is nothing more than a knife attack by a homeless man is original research in of itself, since it has not been reported to be so. Kirbanzo (userpage - talk - contribs) 01:32, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I respect your right to cast a keep !vote, but where's the WP:OR? "Homeless man" and knife attack are in the article. WWGB (talk) 03:45, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Was recently added, apologies Kirbanzo (userpage - talk - contribs) 19:50, 1 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep - passes WP:GNG with signifigant news coverage. See, . Clovermoss (talk) 02:14, 1 December 2019 (UTC) Here is another ref: . This one is from The Guardian. There is also this from the Globe and Mail. Clovermoss (talk) 06:37, 1 December 2019 (UTC) There is also this from Time  which mentions that the investigation is ongoing and the the street in which the attack occured was closed. Since this particular day was Black Friday, and this happened hours after the attack in London, this might explain the sudden increase in international news coverage. A lot of sources mention the attack in London, as well. However, this event is still recent. Reading the specific notability criteria for events, what stands out to me is lasting impact since something like this might appear in international news and will lose impact once resolved. I can't really tell if that will be the case here, since I can't predict the future. There is currently a lot of international news coverage; including The New York Times  , The Washington Post , Global News , CBC , The Irish Times . Clovermoss (talk) 17:31, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete Wikipedia is not a crime blotter. No deaths, three relatively minor injuries. All victims were discharged from the hospital within a few hours. No evidence of terrorism. No evidence of an unusual or political motive. The spurt of media coverage is a side effect of a separate terrorist knife attack in London a few hours earlier. Countless trivial crimes get an intense but brief burst of media coverage, and the crime is soon forgotten by everyone but the victims and those directly involved in dealing with the aftermath of the crime. This seems to be such a case. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  07:19, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep - significant multiple stabbings in 2018 & 2019. Jim Michael (talk) 07:40, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Reply There have been multiple stabbings in every year of human history, and archeology shows that multiple stabbings go back to the dawn of humanity. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  07:55, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, but random mass stabbings aren't so common in the streets of busy city centres in 21st century Europe. That's why they gain media coverage. Jim Michael (talk) 08:21, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
 * According to Stabbing, about 8 million stabbings occurred in 2013. There is zero consensus that Wikipedia should have an article about every crime that receives a 24 hour burst of media coverage, especially when there are zero deaths and zero serious injuries. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  08:52, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
 * But only a small minority of those are mass stabbings, in the street, against strangers. Jim Michael (talk) 09:31, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Redirect to List_of_stabbings. Fails WP:NEVENT. Störm   (talk)  09:38, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete WP:NOTNEWS, WP:LASTING. If this had been any other time than following the London stabbings, or if the perpetrator had been arrested at the scene, this would never have made international news. Sjö (talk) 10:46, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   08:54, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. Fails WP:EVENTCRIT. Unfortunately, stabbings are routine news events. This one received a burst of international news coverage (probably due to the 2019 London Bridge stabbing happening on the same day), but that alone doesn't make it notable. There hasn't been any significant coverage at all since immediately (2 days) after the event and likely never will be. Surachit (talk) 07:37, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep - Significant coverage, passes WP:GNG. --Jamez42 (talk) 11:13, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete Even though it got a lot of press coverage, the only reason it got that in the first place is the time correlation with the London stabbings were the media suspected it was probably terrorist. As a citizen of The Hague, I would like to comment I haven't seen any coverage since the day after the stabbing. Dwaro (talk) 11:05, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per NOTNEWS.--SharabSalam (talk) 19:29, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete No evidence of enduring historical significance or significant lasting effect. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 15:34, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete - I almost always support retention in cases like this, as there generally is enough to meet the prongs, but I'm inclined to feel that there isn't Lasting coverage - there was a functionally final pulse a few days ago when they confirmed it wasn't terrorist-motivated. But it's not a case of 16 days of ongoing coverage, but an initial surge then a blip. Nosebagbear (talk) 16:28, 15 December 2019 (UTC)


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