Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2020 Ghent stabbing


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 06:09, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

2020 Ghent stabbing

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This incident was not terror-related and no-one was killed. It was a mental health issue. Its occurrence on the same day as a London terror attack is coincidental and irrelevant. Clear case of WP:NOTNEWS. WWGB (talk) 02:10, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. WWGB (talk) 02:10, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Disability-related deletion discussions. WWGB (talk) 02:10, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Belgium-related deletion discussions. WWGB (talk) 02:10, 4 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete run of the mill - we're WP:NOTNEWS. Widefox ; talk 11:16, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:MILL. Nice city, Ghent, but not immune to the social problems common to Western cities. ——  SN  54129  11:21, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete, I wish editors would keep in mind WP:NORUSH for these things. Within an hour of the article being created false information was presented that included a "terrorist incident" and a comment "reported by eye witnesses to be of "a dark skin colour". This is concerning and should be concerning to editors out there who want to maintain Wikipedia's quality standards. The article was rushed to be made with the assumption that this was going to be some huge terrorist incident which it was clearly not. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 14:44, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Grrrr!! I agree with you here Knowledgekid87! I am very concerned by this article! Whoever copy and pasted over the Streatham stabbing's current events template and forgot to remove the part stating "recent terrorist incident" is a bigoted racist and also a neo-nazi and also that perfectly valid comment "reported by eye witnesses to be of "a dark skin colour" is a clear sign that this editor is a white supremacist and was definitely not just quoting news pages that were clearly pointing to islamic terrorism in their articles on the description of the attacker before they were identified!! Grrrrr! I really am angry I am! I am also very concerned by this! This article goes against WP:CONCERNING! And also WP:NONEONAZIS as well as WP:NORACISM! ANGRYYY!! Bye guys I am now going to go and edit 1000s of grammar mistakes using my bot for probably 17 hours straight to get myself up to the next service ribbon because I need more clout on my user page since it represents who I am because I can't go outside or else people would make fun of me!! Also I am still concerned by this racist editor!!!! Grrr! TheBestEditorInEngland (talk) 19:29, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Are you suggesting that it is somehow racist for somebody to think that the first hint of melanin makes a stabbing "encyclopedic"? --Andreas Philopater (talk) 18:33, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, I am, Andreas Philopater. This user is trying to spread racist white-supremacist messages across Wikipedia and I WON'T PUT UP WITH IT. I am very concerned that the quote "reported by eye witnesses to be of "a dark skin colour"" was included in the article and I believe that this has no right to be in the article, nor be the entire subject of it which it clearly is. This quote, also used by the racist Belgian media who are all nazis, was also the reason this racist editor believed this stabbing was worthy of an article when it first appeared in the news and not because it was a quadruple stabbing that happened just hours after the Streatham stabbing meaning it could have possibly been orchestrated by the same group, like the nazi propaganda media suggested, and it is clear that this quote wasn't added because racist neo-nazi news articles were suggesting that this was also another islamic extremest attack by adding the quote in the first place to their own articles (I mean god! The only reason they included it was because everybody cares a lot about what skin colour the attacker was!), and so this editor is an absolute bigot who should be jailed because they believed what was in the news article they read – that this attack could have possibly been another islamic extremest attack like the one that had happened hours before, and so without knowing this 100%, added the quote from the article to subtly usher this possibility before anything had been confirmed, before getting outright bored with the topic and leaving it to be deleted. Grrrr!! I am FUMING!!! And YOU yes YOU should be too! Kind regards and yours faithfully + sincerely, TheBestEditorInEngland (talk) 19:34, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
 * It's especially strange that it's included in the article but apparently not in the source cited. The only source for it I can find is Russia Today, which is oddly not cited in the article. Perhaps you are right to be concerned about the article's quality. --Andreas Philopater (talk) 21:45, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Even more strange is the fact that the article creator, TheBestEditorInEngland, made the edits introducing the then-reported (HLN subsequently changed its article content) suspect's skin colour as well as the unsourced terror allegations  . Meanwhile, any link with terrorism is again said to be excluded  and the suspect is sent to a forensic psychiatrist . Wakari07 (talk) 00:33, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete I cannot find anything other than routine news coverage of the incident, so it fails WP:NOTNEWS. No lasting impact.-- P-K3 (talk) 18:07, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per above, it's an unremarkable event. BTW why is this AFD listed under "Disability related"? I came here from WikiProject Disability's alerts, but I find nothing relevant in the article. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 10:12, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm guessing its the reference to "voices in her head", but I agree that's a pretty 1950s usage of "disability" ——  SN  54129  11:49, 7 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep According to a Breitbart article on the day of the attack which also (correctly) noticed that the woman is "dark-skinned", this "story is developing..." but the far-right publication stopped developing it when it didn't suit their taste anymore. Her lawyer now says, according to an update article, that the 26-year-old S.C. is from Haitian origin. An adopted child, she started to develop a dislike for her Belgian adoptive family, tried to commit suicide and landed in an institution. Planning to ask money for a project she wanted to start, she rang the doorbell of her former home in the Oranjeboomstraat, where her brother openend, smiling. From that point on, she is said to have lost all memory. She stabbed him with a knife. Then, she rang at other doors in the Korte Rijakkerstraat. When the neighbour of a friend opened the door, she was stabbed as well. Driving away, she noticed a police car and, irrationally thinking that her life was over, she decided that she wanted to die from a police bullet. She then stabbed passers-by in the Bevrijdingslaan, where the story was picked up by world media: i24News, The National, AFP via New Straits Times, DPA via the Weekend Australian, Times of Malta, Metro UK, ... Her arrest was confirmed by the council chamber on Friday. Is there a policy that says such an incident needs to be labeled as terrorism in order to acquire WP:Notability? Wakari07 (talk) 14:39, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
 * If various newspapers each separately wrote their own articles about the topic, that would contribute to notability, but when it's the same story (usually by a news agency such as AFP in this case) simply being repeated by multiple publications, they all count as just one source. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 15:26, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
 * , I noted the agencies. There's the full Agence France-Presse article via New Straits Times, the full Deutsche Presse-Agentur article via the Weekend Australian (which cites Belga) and four other articles: i24 News cites no agencies, The National cites HLN and AFP, Metro cites HLN, and Times of Malta cites local media, AFP and HLN. Associated Press also cited the event in their article on the London stabbing as a side note: AP via Stars and Stripes, AP News. All Belgian media have their own reporting too, but that's generally behind a paywall for me and the public info has little which is not given in the publicly available articles of Het Laatste Nieuws. Wakari07 (talk) 15:54, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Perhaps WP:WikiProject Belgium might be able to help you with accessing paywalled sources. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:07, 8 February 2020 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.