Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2020 Ionian Sea helicopter crash


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The result was redirect to HMCS Fredericton (FFH 337). You can merge anything from history not already covered. Spartaz Humbug! 08:01, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

2020 Ionian Sea helicopter crash

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Tragic but not notable military aviation accident. Military aviation accidents are quite common and unless somebody notable is on board, they are rarely notable. WP:NOTNEWS also applies. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 13:42, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
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 * Weak keep, maybe merge- mainly due to the fact the accident has grounded all helicopters of the type involved until a fleetwide problem can be ruled out. However, WP:TOOSOON may apply in that regard. The majority of the victims were also officers, which could impart notability if they were of high enough rank. If none of these become factors of notability (or are already factors), I'd prefer we merge it with the main article on the type of helicopter involved. Kirbanzo (userpage - talk - contribs) 18:00, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Weak keep for now - I'm inclined to say keep at the moment. Looking at the article for the type of helicopter involved, it looks like this may be the first crash in its history. Also, there's the reasons pointed out. Love of Corey (talk) 20:19, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment it's worth noting that the helicopter is only in service with the canadian armed forces. Epluribusunumyall (talk) 12:40, 3 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete nothing notable here unless a fleetwide problem is shown. Mztourist (talk) 10:56, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Military crash with no notable consequences.--Petebutt (talk) 04:58, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge into the HMCS Fredericton (FFH 337), the Royal Canadian Navy ship that the helicopter was based off of. the crash and the ships operational history are linked Epluribusunumyall (talk) 12:38, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment/Opinion - Until the 5 people that are missing are found or declared dead, it is a Strong keep for me, but once they are declared dead or found, then I vote Merge into HMCS Fredericton (FFH 337). The crash is notable to have mentioned somewhere.  Currently as there are active search parties for the missing, it is notable, but once the searching stops, then it still deserves a mention, but not an article. Elijahandskip (talk) 17:20, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: the five are now officially presumed dead. - Ahunt (talk) 12:52, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete/merge The details of this article should be filed under either HMCS Fredericton (FFH 337) or Sikorsky CH-148 Cyclone. While the event is tragic, military equipment failures are one of the more common causes of death and not unique or notable enough for an independent article. The only way would be if there would be enough third party information to note its uniqueness, ie. large loss of life, crash on civilian areas, notable political event between two nations causing loss of aircraft and life, etc.  Krazytea  (talk) 21:00, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep, for now. As the article is already created, keep until the consequences and impact on the CH-148 fleet as a whole is known.  At that point a better determination will be able to be made as to notability to remain stand-alone or where to merge.  Turgan Talk 22:54, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge into the HMCS Fredericton (FFH 337), where it is already mentioned.Djflem (talk) 19:43, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. Appears to be considered a significant accident. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:04, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge into the HMCS Fredericton (FFH 337) article, where a section has already been started. While the accident is certainly tragic,  WP:NOTNEWS applies... PK  T (alk)  14:25, 8 May 2020 (UTC)


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