Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2020 Kabul bombing


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Pax:Vobiscum (talk) 14:55, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

2020 Kabul bombing

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 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Terrorism-related deletion discussions.  Jim Michael (T) 10:35, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
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Non-notable another bombing with a low death count. It is not news! WP:Crime 11S117   (talk)  10:34, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Articles for deletion/Log/2020 February 11.  —cyberbot I   Talk to my owner :Online 22:56, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. It's a reliably sourced article about a very recent suicide bombing, in a major city, which killed 6 people & injured another 12. If this had happened in the West, no-one would want such an article deleted. Jim Michael (talk) 22:55, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment: You admitted that this story is not notable because a bombing happened in the same area with the same amount of casaulties without an article. Also you don't see an article for every mass shooting in the United States and Kabul is a warzone so it's not a good comparison with the west. 11S117 (talk) 23:05, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I didn't admit anything of the sort. If you're referring to the previous attack at the same military academy in May, it not having an article doesn't mean that it's not notable. Many notable attacks, organisations, places etc. don't have articles (yet). A case could be made for making the article about both attacks. An attack in the West of any variety with this many victims would certainly warrant an article. Jim Michael (talk) 23:20, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Again this is the English Wikipedia site, so of course the main articles would be in the west. Guess what there is an Arabic Wikipedia site where they post all sort of attacks or bombings locally. Another problem, this is not notable it is just another bombing in a country that is used to it. If we made an article for every mass shooting in the United States we'd have to make over 300 articles and if we made an article for every attack in Afghanistan we'd make just as many. That is why we don't do that. 11S117 (talk) 23:28, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
 * No-one's saying that we do or should have articles for every attack in any country, but this is a notable enough attack to warrant an article. To compare to the US, there's no doubt that a recent attack of any type in which 6 people were killed & 12 others injured would have an article & be very unlikely to be nominated for deletion. Jim Michael (talk) 23:51, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Haven't we made an article for every mass shooting in the United States? Phil Bridger (talk) 22:30, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
 * We typically do if the number of victims is at least in the high single figures. Jim Michael (talk) 01:03, 13 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep. Obviously. If this had happened in a Western Anglophone country we would keep it without question, so there is no reason to delete it because it happened in Afghanistan. My only quibble is about the title, because it is, unfortunately, very unlikely that this will be the only bombing in Kabul this year. Phil Bridger (talk) 20:45, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, and it wouldn't even be nominated if it happened in a non-Anglophone Western country such as France or Germany.
 * It's standard practice that we don't usually include the month in the title of articles about crimes unless needed for disambiguation. In the highly likely event that another bombing occurs this year in Kabul, the month will be included in the titles of both this article & that of the future bombing (s). Jim Michael (talk) 21:38, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Then start making the 50,000 bombing articles for the Iraq war because there are many that have been ignored throughout the century. 11S117 (talk) 22:10, 12 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment: According to WP:EVENTCRIT, events that have widespread (national or international) impact are notable. Since, this mishap lacks international impact, therefore it should be redirected to Civilian casualties in the war in Afghanistan (2001–present). This was my opinion as per, WP:DELAY, WP:IHN & above one. TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 14:13, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
 * It's of national & international significance due to it being the first major terrorist attack since the November 2019 Kabul bombing, damaging attempts at international negotiations with the Taliban.
 * You regard suicide bombings as mishaps?! Jim Michael (talk) 16:01, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
 * The excerpt that you quoted says "national or international", so why do you base your further comment only on "international"? Phil Bridger (talk) 18:05, 13 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Merge and redirect to Civilian casualties in the war in Afghanistan (2001–present). Bombings in Afghanistan are, unfortunately, far too common to warrant standalone articles anymore. Note the same approach is taken with school shootings in the US: see List of school shootings in the United States. Clarityfiend (talk) 20:58, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I've looked at List of school shootings in the United States, and in every single case where there has been as many deaths as in the article being discussed here there is a separate article about the shooting. Are American deaths somehow worth more than Afghani deaths? Phil Bridger (talk) 21:26, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
 * This is a strawman argument trying to make it look like we don't care for the lives of Afghanis. Many things wrong with this, 1) clearly if you had your way, you're gonna have to make the 50,000 articles for all the Iraq bombings, Syria bombings, Nigeria bombings, and the other Afghanistan bombings that don't have articles and theyre a hell of a lot worse than this attack. 2nd) what about all the mass shootings that injure 10 or even kill 3 that's why we have the mass shooting for that particular year, because in the United States theres so many. But when it happens in Britian it gets national attention and why that be, because it's rare. Kabul bombings are not rare, they're pretty common so a bombing to this degree doesn't need an article. This is my problem with Jim Michael, he makes an article for every bombing, every gun attack. But instead of looking in depth of the attack, he has a sentence and then puts one link and calls it a day. 11S117 (talk) 01:26, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
 * The fact that there have been many attacks which are more notable than this one - but which do not have articles (yet) - is not a good reason to delete this one.
 * Bombings in Kabul are no longer as common - this was the first significant terrorist attack there for 3 months.
 * I've only made articles for a small minority of attacks. The large majority of those that I've created are much longer than 1 sentence & many have more than one RS backing them. Other editors are welcome to contribute to them. Jim Michael (talk) 17:16, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
 * The United States is not Afghanistan. School shootings are still relatively rare, though the trend is not good. Clarityfiend (talk) 07:49, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
 * The inclusion criteria for mass shootings in the US are vague. A few people shot in a school or church in most cases receives an article, but several people shot in a bar or nightclub in most cases doesn't. I know that the criteria include things other than the number of victims, but it's still unclear as to what qualifies & what doesn't. Jim Michael (talk) 17:16, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep - passes WP:GNG. Issues such as sourcing can be solved via normal editing processes. Bearian (talk) 00:15, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   13:07, 19 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep - General notability too high for deletion.--89.206.114.25 (talk) 00:06, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep - important massacre that killed many people. Analog Horror, (Communicate) 16:28, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge. Unimportant bombing that killed a few people.  How many more important bombing in Afghanistan have occurred, which do not (and should not) have articles.  — Arthur Rubin  (talk) 23:37, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
 * On what basis do you claim it to be unimportant? I don't know of a guideline which requires or even suggests a minimum number of victims to meet a notability requirement.
 * Would you want it deleted if it had happened in the Western world? Jim Michael (talk) 23:48, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
 * It's a "man bites dog" issue (news in the US, not so much in South Korea). It's uncommon in the West, but an all-too-frequent occurrence in Afghanistan. Clarityfiend (talk) 20:04, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Terrorist bombings are no longer common in Afghanistan - this is the only one since November. Jim Michael (talk) 16:01, 24 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep. Per WP:EVENTCRIT. Also the attack is took place just at the US Taliban Ceasefire/Peace agreements. Mr.User200 (talk) 20:35, 26 February 2020 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.