Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2020 New Taipei helicopter crash


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The result was keep: per SNOW. (non-admin closure) --- C &amp; C  (Coffeeandcrumbs) 03:22, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

2020 New Taipei helicopter crash

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WP:NOTNEWS. Helicopters crash all the time, and so far there's no suggestion that there is anything particular to this crash, such as geopolitical implications. The death of a notable person is adequately covered at Shen Yi-ming.  Sandstein  10:30, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Additional comment: many people below write that the event is of great political significance in Taiwan and should therefore be covered. That's a reasonable argument if true, but it is not really apparent from the article. The article now says that election campaigns have been suspended for two or three days, which is an indication that this is an event of some perceived importance, but it's still not clear how and why exactly. Is foul play suspected? Does this have a bearing on Taiwan-Mainland China relations? If kept, the article needs to make much more clear why we assume that this is an incident that will still be discussed years or decades later, see WP:LASTING, rather than a routine accident.  Sandstein   20:37, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions.   Sandstein   10:30, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Taiwan-related deletion discussions.  94rain  Talk  10:37, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 11:27, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
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 * Keep. This crash killed as many as eight people including high-level military officers and has received significant coverage in reliable sources. And it occurred just nine days before the 2020 Taiwanese presidential election and caused candidates Tsai Ing-wen and Han Kuo-yu to stop their campaign activities for three days and two days respectively. In my view, this article meets Notability and should be kept. --Neo-Jay (talk) 11:28, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep There's a chance this isn't notable and it will need to be revisited, but given the politics and the suspension of campaigns as a result of the crash, there may be more to this story. It's difficult to determine at this point because this could ultimately fail WP:NOTNEWS but it appears there's going to be significant ramifications from this one, and aviation accidents where notable people die can be notable. SportingFlyer  T · C  11:41, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep 8 dead plus a military VIP on board, in my opinion both make the accident notable.廣九直通車 (talk) 11:46, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. Chief of staff killed, widespread coverage of this. Not a normal crash. --Hippeus (talk) 12:13, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per above. IMO, high-ranking military leader has killed that is not a normal crash.Idolmm (talk) 12:39, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep And the administration of this nominator should be removed as soon as possible because that is an insult to the Republic of China. 🐱💬 13:38, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Seriously, what are you talking about? -- 94rain  Talk  13:48, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom --LaserLegs (talk) 13:51, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep We are talking about a Chief of the General Staff of ROC not a ordinary military figure. Also there is a ongoing investigation about his topic. We should keep it.Mr.User200 (talk) 14:31, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Strong keep. Really strange nomination, imo. StAnselm (talk) 14:32, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. Death of major government figure, adequate coverage, fairly major loss of life. Can be revisited in a few months if there's a question. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 14:38, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per Neo, et al.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 14:39, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. All above make good points. WP:RAPID is also relevant and also weighs in favor of keeping (at least at this time). Mdaniels5757 (talk) 15:05, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
 * textbook NOTNEWS/TOOSOON delete I'm obviously bucking the wrongly developing consensus but for an operational accident that only happened yesterday, nobody knows whether this is ever going to go beyond a line in the fellow's bio plus a lot of groundless speculation that the PRC was responsible. IF there is sustained interest beyond routine newspaper/TV coverage, THEN there should be an article. One day later and and there cannot be yet. Mangoe (talk) 15:18, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep - the incident has had an impact on the 2020 Taiwanese presidential election and resulted in the death of a notable individual (Shen Yi-ming). If the delete !voters are to be belived, we need to wait 5 or more years to write an article of any kind. Inter&#38;anthro (talk) 15:38, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep - death of a notable person is inclining most if not all people to keeping this article.Super Typhoon Mercedes-Benz Talk to me here :) 15:41 UTC, January 2 2020
 * Keep per Inter&#38;anthro. HurricaneGeek2002   talk  16:06, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep I wrote what currently (09:28 MST 2 Jan) is Shen Yi-ming, the suitable replacement for this article listed by the nom. I disagree. The section fails to fully contextualize the background of the crash, the notability of those involved, and address the number of casualties. Air crashes involving famous people and fewer than ten fatalities often receive their own articles. We ought to preserve this one. ~ Pbritti (talk) 16:28, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep There have now been geopolitical ramifications, which removes the main argument in the initial speedy deletion nomination. Further, a crash being military doesn't mean it's non-notable; see e.g. Smolensk air disaster Leondz (talk) 16:39, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep the incident has had an impact on the 2020 Taiwanese presidential election and more. We keep such articles. Wm335td (talk) 19:56, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Mimihitam (talk) 20:16, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep, per Wm335td. --CoryGlee (talk) 20:53, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep An important military fugure died in this.Mariogoods (talk) 22:18, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep The chief of the general staff of the Republic of China died because of the accident, this is a very significant event for Taiwan and its military. Chongkian (talk) 00:27, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep The reason for the nomination of deletion is partial in the first place. It's not only the death of a single notable person, a group of high-ranking military officers (other than the Chief of defence himself) deceased because of this, which will cause a significant impact on the national defense system for certain. How on earth can this be described as "there's no suggestion that there is anything particular to this crash"?--Howard61313 (talk) 01:09, 3 January 2020 (UTC)


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