Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2021 Albuquerque hot air balloon crash


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to List of ballooning accidents. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 04:43, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

2021 Albuquerque hot air balloon crash

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Local news story fails WP:EVENTCRIT. Weak sourcing and no claim to lasting notability. KidAd •  SPEAK  22:50, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Aviation-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 22:53, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New Mexico-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 22:53, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
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 * Delete per nom. Wikipedia is WP:NOTNEWSPAPER. Clarityfiend (talk) 02:40, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Also fails WP:SUSTAINED. News coverage does not extend into July. Clarityfiend (talk) 12:02, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Here's some coverage from July: https://www.kob.com/albuquerque-news/family-friends-say-goodbye-to-couple-killed-in-hot-air-balloon-crash/6165597/ https://www.kob.com/albuquerque-news/family-of-couple-killed-in-hot-air-balloon-crash-shares-fond-memories-as-they-cope-with-loss/6159604/ &#123;&#123;u&#124;Squeeps10&#125;&#125; {Talk} Please ping when replying . 02:48, 15 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete - As horribly tragic as this event was, it is not the purpose of WP to serve as a news source WP:NOTNEWS. The event has been added to the List of ballooning accidents which is where it makes sense for this content to reside. Netherzone (talk) 21:58, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep It's made most major national news outlets and will likely have some fairly major effects on the Balloon Fiesta. Passes WP:GNG with flying colors. &#123;&#123;u&#124;Squeeps10&#125;&#125; {Talk} Please ping when replying . 00:10, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
 * If it changes federal ballooning regulations, that would make it notable. Balloon Fiesta, not so much. Clarityfiend (talk) 04:36, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep This aviation disaster seems notable enough, plus, to Squeeps10 point, it has been covered by many media outlets. Pyramids09 (talk) 00:59, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NOTNEWSPAPER and WP:NOTNEWS.--Paolo9999 (talk) 22:45, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep similar accident still have article, but this one still short, need more to add.Airline Plane Crash (talk) 02:46, 13 July 2021 (UTC) — Airline Plane Crash (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Bungle (talk • contribs) 17:21, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. Wikipedia is not a newspaper and honestly even international news coverage doesn't demonstrate encyclopedic significance if the coverage is not significant or persistent. If in ten years this turns out to have been a significant event with lasting coverage (and/or impact, but if it has such an impact it will probably generate continued coverage), nothing is stopping anyone from re-creating the article. –Roscelese (talk &sdot; contribs) 02:46, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete or redirect to List of ballooning accidents per WP:NOTNEWS and WP:PERSISTENCE. We don't generally have articles on events which generated a short spate of news coverage (even passing the GNG) but which have no lasting significance. I don't think this particular even is likely to produce sustained coverage. If it does get coverage some time from now, or if it has significant consequences for the industry, than an article will probably be appropriate.  Hut 8.5  12:05, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete Tragic but WP:NOTNEWS applies....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 15:55, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete nothing about the accident appears to make it noteworthy for a stand-alone article, entry in List of ballooning accidents is sufficient. MilborneOne (talk) 20:39, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Albuquerque is famous as a center for ballooning in general, and hot air ballooning in particular. In addition, Albuquerque is significant to the history of ballooning. The accident was the worst, in terms of fatalities, in the city's history . Ballooning is an important part of the city's culture. These contexts make this article worthy of keeping -- it's not just a simple news item, and future readers could very well come looking for the incident here in the future.Greg (talk) 02:43, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
 * /Greg, then would it not make sense to merge/redirect this article into the the Albuquerque International Balloon Fiesta article? A section in the ABQ.I.B.F. article could be created specifically about accidents with sub-sections for each historical accident. So if readers were seeking info about the 2021 accident it would point to that page section. Netherzone (talk) 03:04, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
 * , no, merging it with that article wouldn't be correct, because the accident did not occur at the Balloon Fiesta.
 * Worth noting that according to List of ballooning accidents there was another ballooning accident in Albuquerque in 1983 which killed four people (only one fewer than this crash) and injured another four. We don't have an article on it. Evidently it doesn't have the same significance years later.  Hut 8.5  07:13, 16 July 2021 (UTC)


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