Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2021 Arizona Swearingen SA226-T(B) Merlin IIIB crash


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to Bill Whittington. Since the prior close by, which I believe accurately assessed consensus at the time, no consensus towards keeping has emerged and, if anything, the consensus towards merger has been redoubled. Much of the merger work appears already to have been done, but as before, incorporation of additional content is welcome.  Go  Phightins  !  22:35, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

2021 Arizona Swearingen SA226-T(B) Merlin IIIB crash

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This accident lacks of notability Wykx  (talk) 13:18, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Bro, because that aircraft not notable, but you can search "Bill Whittington", and will have a lot of this accident news. Yyang Sr. GakupoKaito (talk) 16:38, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

I found that if search "Winslow plane crash", will have a lot of result,but "Arizona Plane crash" not have many result.I think might change the article title.
 * The notability may be about Bill Whittington but not about the crash itself. Wykx  (talk) 17:25, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete, it is adequate for the crash to be discussed in the articles about Bill Whittington and the Swearingen Merlin; there is no indication that this crash of a light aircraft in a remote unpopulated area would meet WP:GNG for any reason other than Whittington's death. Carguychris (talk) 17:37, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment - I have just added a summary of the crash to the Swearingen Merlin page incorporating some text copied from this article. Carguychris (talk) 14:36, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Arizona-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 18:57, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Aviation-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 18:57, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 18:57, 5 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Merge with Bill Whittington per Carguychris. There's material here worthy of being on his article, but not worthy of its own distinct page. 92.24.246.11 (talk) 22:51, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge per above. Incident not independently notable. Should be merged into article about notable person. MB 23:17, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 11:03, 6 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Merge per above. The crash in and of itself doesn't meet standalone article notability. Merging into the article about Bill Whittington should be sufficient. —Itsfullofstars (talk) 20:16, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. Articles about light aircraft crashes are not generally considered notable unless they involve the death of a person who is sufficiently notable to have a stand-alone biographical article about them.   In this case, one of the two known fatalities in this crash is Bill Whittington, who has his own article on WP so it generally meets the community's customary standards for inclusion of light aircraft crashes.  In light of the fact that the article was nominated for deletion about six hours after it was first created, I would also recommend that the nominator also take a quick peek at the suggestions listed under WP:RAPID.   RecycledPixels (talk) 21:31, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment: You are correct that the crash may warrant its own article per community standards, but in practice, this often depends on WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE and whether enough germane information eventually emerges to fill an article. Many air crashes have simple explanations that can easily be covered in a notable person's biography page. I think it's too early to make the call here. Carguychris (talk) 16:20, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
 * WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE is impossible to determine at this point because the accident only occurred three weeks ago. RecycledPixels (talk) 19:47, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment The article also meets WP:GNG, "A topic is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list when it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". A quick search on Google news for "Winslow Plane Crash" turns up:
 * "NCSO: 2 People dead after a plane crash near Winslow" - ABC15 Arizona, 23 April 2021
 * "2 found dead in small plane crash near Winslow after officials put out fire in aircraft" Arizona Republic, 23 April 2021
 * "Plane crash near Winslow kills two" - White Mountain Independent, 30 April 2021
 * "Former sports car racer Bill Whittington died in a plane crash near Winslow" - ABC15 Arizona, 28 April 2021
 * "Former IndyCar, Sports Car Racer Bill Whittington Killed in Plane Crash", Autoweek, 25 April 2021
 * "Scottsdale man killed in plane crash", May 4, 2021
 * "Victims in Winslow plane crash identified", Yahoo News, 27 April 2021
 * "Sheriff's Office: Plane crash victims were Phoenix-area men", KGUN9 via Associated Press, 27 April 2021
 * - RecycledPixels (talk) 19:56, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain (talk) 23:39, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep RecycledPixels is correct, established precedent is that where there is a GA accident that involves a wikinotable person, then that pushes the event above the threshold for sustaining an article - q.v. Graham Hill plane crash, The Day The Music Died etc. Mjroots (talk) 19:44, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

Yyang Sr. GakupoKaito (talk) 21:21, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per RecycledPixels.
 * Merge, as said in previous comments "not worthy of its own distinct page". It would be better to add a brief description in Bill's page.Paolo9999 (talk) 15:37, 14 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment - Then this article? 2021 Xumabee Game Ranch helicopter crash. Why this one nobody have questions? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yyang Sr. GakupoKaito (talk • contribs)
 * Please have a read of WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS. 92.24.246.11 (talk) 17:33, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I know, just advise. Yyang Sr. GakupoKaito (talk) 22:54, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
 * And why is "not worthy", not just yourself think. Yyang Sr. GakupoKaito (talk) 22:52, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
 * That one should be merged too if you asked my opinion. Others should too. But we are not talking about them here.Paolo9999 (talk) 23:43, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
 * okay l, I just wanna ask that, thanks for the reply.Yyang Sr. GakupoKaito (talk) 22:12, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Again, a Wikinotable person was killed in that crash, so the threshold of notability to sustain an article is passed. There is no "level of notability" threshold. Graham Hill, Kobe Bryant and Sasa Klaas are treated the same here, just like recent deaths at WP:ITN are. Mjroots (talk) 15:26, 19 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Merge: a full list a new crash articles has been added recently (  Xumabee Game Ranch helicopter crash,  Touques Airbus AS350B helicopter crash, Alaska Airbus AS350 B3 helicopter crash). Those articles have only been added on the base that a wikinotable person has died in this crash. The notability applies to the person, not to the crash itself. We cannot create a wikipage on each event of the person's life without very specific reason.  Wykx  (talk) 13:17, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Nobody is arguing that we should have a wikipage on each event of a notable person's life. The argument is that in certain circumstances, a plane crash is a notable event independent of the people who were on that plane.  This is one of those curcumstances.  RecycledPixels (talk) 19:59, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: I am relisting this at the request of User:RecycledPixels who disagreed with my closure for merge and redirect (which I still support as closing admin) per User_talk:Missvain. I am going to recuse myself from closing the next round of discussion.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain (talk) 19:41, 20 May 2021 (UTC) only the people is notable.Yyang Sr. GakupoKaito (talk) 21:59, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge, The story of crash itself is not notable, merge into Bill Whittington, Alex-h (talk) 14:22, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep, per I said before, Wikipedia not that serious limit crash page creat need very famous
 * Keep - The accident has significant coverage from reliable, independent sources and resulted in the death of a notable person. While Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information, we already have a lot of articles about accidents that killed famous people, what makes this one different? -  ZLEA  T \ C 22:14, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge: have you considered WP:PAGEDECIDE? Which context is so important here that a dedicated page is created? I don't see some so that's why, despite the death coverage, the accident itself is not specific. Wykx  (talk) 12:45, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge into Bill Whittington as it's not notable enough. Suonii180 (talk) 14:41, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge or delete. Per WP:CFORK. If the crash is believed to be important because a notable person died in it, then that is an argument for covering the crash as part of their biography.  Sandstein   07:50, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge to Bill Whittington per the above. Given that Whittington was both the owner of the craft and the pilot at the time of the accident, the crash is inseparable from his biography. BD2412  T 02:05, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge As per BD2412. MrsSnoozyTurtle 08:24, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
 * help merge Then someone help merge bro? Yyang Sr. GakupoKaito (talk) 20:13, 29 May 2021 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.