Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2021 Austin shooting


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Austin, Texas. There is a consensus below (between merge and delete contributions) that this article should not remain as a standalone article.

We are then left with the decision either to delete or merge, of which there were good arguments for both. However, ultimately, I find persuasive the argument that it cannot be merged to List of mass shootings in the United States in 2021, as it appears to not meet the criteria for that list. Therefore, I am taking the next best option that was discussed, which was to link it (in this case, via a redirect) to Austin, Texas. However, from the discussion below it was unclear what (if anything) can be merged to that article, hence I have gone redirect, and will leave the decision of whether to merge anything to editorial process (the content of the 2021 Austin shooting article can be found behind the redirect). Daniel (talk) 03:07, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

2021 Austin shooting

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Wikipedia is not a newspaper or newswire service. I'm getting awfully tired of Wikipedians moonlighting as journalists and/or racing to create anemic pages for current news events without any regard for our notability standards. It is not the job of Wikipedia to report events as they happen. KidAd •  SPEAK  01:51, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
 * For now, Merge to List of school shootings in the United States, because even though Wikipedia is not news, the shooting is as of now getting constantly updated by HQ reliable sources such as CNN, ABC News, the Washington Post, and NBC News, notable enough to be a listing in another page. However, we cannot WP:CRYSTALBALL whether a shooting will have long-lasting notability, so I cannot give a definite Keep vote. Also, please leave accusations of bad-faith to a minimum. Don't state users are "moonlighting as journalists" to create these articles; you're right Wikipedia is not a news organization, but do not assume users who create articles like these are trying to make it that. 👨x🐱 (talk) 02:22, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
 * It wasn't a school shooting, but it could be merged into List of mass shootings in the United States in 2021. Wgullyn (talk) 02:26, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh, man, I misread that! Thank you for catching that. Man, my brain just does not work right, ya know? 👨x🐱 (talk) 02:28, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete for now - I'll start leaning towards a keep!vote if something noteworthy comes up during this event, but until then, this was definitely created WP:TOOSOON. I only created the Indianapolis FedEx shooting article once they announced some official casualty numbers, and I think we all should exercise similar conduct and caution when dealing with these kinds of events from now on. From my experience, 90 percent of breaking news coverage describing shootings with "multiple victims" winds up being something that's considerably less than what the word "multiple" implies. Love of Corey (talk) 02:38, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge with List of mass shootings in the United States in 2021 Curbon7 (talk) 02:48, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment - I'd like to point out that only three people have been shot in this incident, therefore it doesn't count as a mass shooting according to the definition Wikipedia uses. And we have no idea how this situation is ultimately going to be resolved. Love of Corey (talk) 04:15, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Agreed - if this is to be merged, it should be to Austin, Texas. Jim Michael (talk) 10:40, 19 April 2021 (UTC)


 * I'm changing my earlier vote to Keep. The shooting's ended, the suspect is in custody, and news sources agree on the events. Wgullyn (talk) 21:47, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Texas-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 08:15, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 08:15, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 08:15, 19 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep: Three dead, and a surprisingly lengthy manhunt that garnered news attention is in my book notable enough. Sergei zavorotko (talk) 22:53, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Any policy to support that or just WP:ILIKEIT? KidAd  •  SPEAK  22:54, 19 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete or merge to List of mass shootings in the United States in 2021 per WP:NOTNOTABLE. One example is the NYC shooting on April 6, 2021; a domestic incident with four dead. It's notable to have it's spot in the list, but not its own article. Kellis7 00:49, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment - The suspect has now been captured, and he is not injured, thus leaving the total number of casualties at three. Therefore, I would caution the admins not to merge this to List of mass shootings in the United States in 2021 as others have proposed should it come to that, given this incident is one victim short of fulfilling Wikipedia's official definition of a mass shooting. I agree with 's proposal to merge the article to Austin, Texas. Love of Corey (talk) 06:40, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment. The national news outlet CNN, just fifty minutes ago, gave another update about the event. Even though there are only three casualties, it is possible that if the national news is updating this constantly on the shooting, it may have long-lasting notability. We can't WP:CRYSTALBALL that, however, so merge into another article just in case. 👨x🐱 (talk) 14:26, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I am likewise tired of this and think that WP:CRYSTALBALL needs to be remembered. I agree that this doesn't even need merging anywhere - there is no information here that is due for any of our encyclopedia articles. We are an encyclopedia, not a news ticker or list of crimes committed - and as such, delete without prejudice to revisiting in at least three months to see if there is significant coverage. If there is continued significant coverage months after an event, then it certainly is no longer routine coverage - but news articles about crime are by definition routine, no matter how in depth those news articles are. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 20:35, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete WP:NOTNEWS, this was a criminal act and sequential arrest, not a notable criminal act. WikiVirusC (talk) 13:53, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
 *  Keep or merge - Keep, or merge into List of mass shootings in the United States in 2021 or Austin, Texas. --Jax 0677 (talk) 00:13, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Would you mind also bolding the "merge" part of your comment to make that part of your vote also clear to the admins? Love of Corey (talk) 08:32, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks. :) Love of Corey (talk) 19:48, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: I previously closed this AfD as merge to List of mass shootings in the United States in 2021, but it appears that this shooting does not meet the criteria for inclusion on that page. Therefore, I am relisting it to determine whether we should keep, delete, or merge to a different article.
 * Merge agree with other editors above, add this to the list of mass shootings, sad as that may be. Also agree that this the editor who cited that this particular criminal is not particularly noteworthy. Star7924 (talk) 14:44, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, King of ♥ ♦ ♣<b style="color:black"> ♠</b> 16:05, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

You may want to revisit your "merge" comments above. This article is not eligible for inclusion on List of mass shootings in the United States in 2021 as it is not a "mass shooting". It would need to be merged elsewhere, if anywhere. Regards, WWGB (talk) 03:06, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
 *  Reply - "merge into List of mass shootings in the United States in 2021 or Austin, Texas" --Jax 0677 (talk) 01:04, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't understand. It doesn't meet the inclusion criteria for that article, why do you want it to be merged? &#8209;&#8209;Volteer1 (talk) 07:05, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
 *  Reply - "or Austin, Texas" --Jax 0677 (talk) 11:34, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
 * There really is no other choice in this situation. Love of Corey (talk) 22:56, 6 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Just chiming into say that this should be deleted, not merged. It doesn't meet the inclusion criteria for List of mass shootings in the United States in 2021, the above !votes were made in error. &#8209;&#8209;Volteer1 (talk) 06:58, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

<div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete. Just one of many family shootings in the US, and not particularly notable. WWGB (talk) 07:28, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep, cop going on a killing spree with three dead is notable. Patapsco913 (talk) 03:24, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain (talk) 22:24, 12 May 2021 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.