Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2021 IUP Crimson Hawks football team


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was withdrawn. The nominator indicated that they believe there is enough coverage to improve the article, and indicated a desire to withdraw their nomination. (non-admin closure) Etzedek24 (I'll talk at ya) (Check my track record) 20:38, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

2021 IUP Crimson Hawks football team

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This is a run-of-the-mill season for a Division II football team that did not make the DII playoffs. Article fails both WP:NSEASONS and WP:GNG. The only references on the article are from the IUP website so not independent, and one from ESPN with routine coverage. Perhaps a redirect to IUP Crimson Hawks football would work too, since redirects are cheap. Spf121188 (talk) 19:10, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Withdrawn per my below comments Spf121188 (talk) 19:07, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Articles for deletion/Log/2022 January 5.  —cyberbot I   Talk to my owner :Online 19:27, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Pinging and  for their opinions, given that they have shown good judgement on these types of AfD's in the past. Spf121188 (talk) 19:56, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment, I'm finding some coverage, though its mostly local talking about upcoming games, and I don't have enough time to sort through to see if its independent enough. I'm leaning towards weak redirect, but want to see what Cbl can dig up before making my decision. BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:19, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of American football-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 20:22, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Pennsylvania-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 20:22, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 20:42, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Unsure. The article is currently not in good shape, making it hard to evaluate. The infobox says the team had a 6-3 record, but the standings template shows the record as 7-3. Either way, it's a decent but not exceptional Division II season with no playoff participation. My search shows a good deal of SIGCOV in the hyperlocal Indiana Gazette (e.g., here, here, here, here, and here) and some elsewhere too (e.g., here, here, here, and here). I'm not a big fan of season articles on ordinary Division II and III seasons, but IUP does seem to get decent coverage. If an editor were to show a willingness to improve and clean this up, I could be persuaded to vote "Keep". I know that we are not supposed to be basing votes on the current state of the article, but rather on the notability of the topic as it could be, but I feel that we should not be encouraging the proliferation of low quality stubs that lack solid sourcing and consist mostly of a schedule chart. Cbl62 (talk) 21:57, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Also a lot of coverage from the school radio station web site (WCCS), but that's not independent. Cbl62 (talk) 22:00, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * , I'll add that the references you've listed seem to be routine coverage by a newspaper that covers Indiana County, PA. While that is certainly independent, would it be considered routine since they're covering individual games? (The other articles seem to cover other PSAC teams but are covering individual games/performances, but I might be missing something there.) I'm not being patronizing or asking in bad faith, I'm just in agreeance with you that a DII ordinary season more often than not doesn't warrant it's own article space. IUP does have a decent football program, which is why I suggested perhaps it could be redirected to this page. Let me know what you think. Spf121188 (talk) 22:21, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm still unsure about this one. While I generally disfavor season articles on DII teams that don't even make the playoffs, WP:GNG is ultimately the determining guideline. And the depth of coverage on IUP seems to be decent. As noted above, I'm not presently inclined to vote "Keep" but my opinion could be changed if someone were to whip the article into better shape. Cbl62 (talk) 18:21, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I could, if necessary for it to be kept, try to "whip it into shape". What would you want me to do? BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:27, 8 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep I'm also not a big fan of average Division II team articles. However, it seems that there is sufficient coverage for someone to write a decent article on the team. ~ EDDY  ( talk / contribs )~ 00:28, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm going to Withdraw this AfD. I will work with to improve this article. I think there is enough coverage of this team/year to improve the readability and reliability of the article, so I will work to help improve it instead. Spf121188 (talk) 20:00, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Great solution. I look forward to seeing the improved article. If I can help with Newspapers.com access, let me know. Cbl62 (talk) 00:00, 11 January 2022 (UTC)


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