Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2021 Izmir Peoples' Democratic Party provincial organization attack


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The result was keep. Geschichte (talk) 07:59, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

2021 Izmir Peoples' Democratic Party provincial organization attack

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News fact without serious impact The Banner  talk 08:36, 18 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment The article includes references from TRT World and English DW right now, which might increase its notability. could you check it again? Pamfilyalı (talk) 08:51, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
 * People are angry, that is understandable. But I still see only one victim. The Banner  talk 11:02, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
 * One victim + a scrap major political party building in a 4 million populated city + an allegedly government-sponsored attack + allegations against two allegedly-paramilitary organizations (SADAT and Grey Wolves) and a major government partner in Turkey (Nationalist Movement Party).
 * WP:EVENTCRITERIA states that "Events are also very likely to be notable if they have widespread (national or international) impact and were very widely covered in diverse sources, especially if also re-analyzed afterwards (as described below).". This attack had been subject of a lot of controversies such as HDP's allegations, Sedat Peker who is a mafia leader currently publishing secret files about Turkish government blaming the government about the attack, and Erdogan's speech about the attack on Meral Akşener, chairwoman of an opposition party, Good Party, in Rize, stating that there will be continuation of these attacks against opposition, which happened right before/about 10 days before this another attack on another opposition party HDP. I added the WIP template to the article again, in order to cover whole points. Pamfilyalı (talk) 11:15, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
 * The article says nothing about the destruction of the building. Just the shooting of one woman. And a lot of unproven allegations. The Banner  talk 12:36, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Does the fact of "only one death" removes whole notability criteria about large national (or in lesser extent international) impact? I don't think that impact is only decided by quantity but news coverage and "unproven allegations" (I honestly don't think that the perpetrator undergoing a military training in Northern Syria with a lot of photos is unproven), which comes from more than one source, against a "sovereign state". — Pamphylian  ● 💬   18:50, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
 * It is not a terrorist attack with many victims. And I noticed that by now three of the four existing articles (in Dutch, German and English) about this attack are listed for removal and that you worked on three of the four articles (in Turkish, German and English). The Banner  talk 22:17, 18 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 09:14, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Turkey-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 09:14, 18 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Speedy Keep Terrorist attack with national and international coverage. Lemonde.fr, France24/AFP, Sputnik, ... Yug (talk)  11:41, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: i am addressing here the topic's notability which requires a Keep. I am not addressing the fact we have two articles to merge, which is another issue. Yug (talk)  17:47, 18 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Speedy keep due to the reasons covered above. Pamfilyalı (talk) 13:55, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete I think this article should be on Wikinews, not Wikipedia. OvalThunder9 💬 18:10, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
 * WP:EVENTCRITERIA says that "Events are also very likely to be notable if they have widespread (national or international) impact and were very widely covered in diverse sources, especially if also re-analyzed afterwards (as described below)". The attack has been also covered both in national and international media widely, plus the aftermath allegations. What is the reason making you believe that the article should be moved to Wikinews? — Pamphylian  ● 💬   18:51, 18 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Speedy keep, ,  ,  i think it's crystal clear :) --Elenktra (talk) 19:03, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Let us take a look in a week to see if this was just a hype or an attack with a lasting effect. An encyclopedia is not a news site. The Banner  talk 22:17, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per 1 and 2. CVValue (talk) 00:46, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep This is a notable event, especially because of it's simultaneity with HDP trials.Paraw (talk) 06:53, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
 * comment FYI: there is also a merge discussion. The attack is sure notable as it includes political violence and a murder directed against a Kurdish politician of the HDP, a pro-Kurdish Turkish opposition party. There will be a notable Murder trial and manifestations for years. But I doubt if the attack is notable enough for itself, as attacks against the HDP happen all the time.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 12:45, 21 June 2021 (UTC)


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