Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2021 Kin Avia Let L-410UVP-E crash


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. There is a narrow yet sufficient consensus that this article does not meet the required threshold for sustained significant coverage. I note a number of comments suggesting incorporating mentions into various articles; if there is an editorial desire to actually merge the content in this article (as opposed to rewriting a summary, which wouldn't require history attribution to be preserved), let me know and I will undelete and redirect (as implausible a redirect as this may be) to facilitate that occurring. Daniel (talk) 00:40, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

2021 Kin Avia Let L-410UVP-E crash

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WP is not a newspaper, and run of the mill all cover this aviation accident. The article's only source says crashes are very common where this occurred. IMHO it don't deserve an article. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 14:12, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
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*Keep. Initially I was in the delete category but decided to dive into finding additional sources. I have added them to the article. There are more, especially when you search in French. I feel that the amount of coverage meets WP:GNG, even though there did not seem to be much in the way of coverage in English sources. As to whether or not crashes are common where this occurred, I don't know how accurate that is, it is mentioned in the Reuters article without support, and I also saw the same statement in one of the French-language sources, but not much more than that. However, an activist group in the country protested after the accident pointing to it as a symptom of the poor state of aviation maintenance at that particular airport, which to me nudged the article into the keep category, since it was coverage not relating to "a plane just crashed". The accident happened just last month, so it is too soon to determine how much additional information will be uncovered in the future. RecycledPixels (talk) 00:36, 21 July 2021 (UTC) * Keep per RecycledPixels. I also help get some this accident aircraft photo and accident wreckage, this accident type enough big to be wrote an article. If Kin Avia not got banned for Europe, I think it may have Flight numbers.Wiki common no freedom (talk) 04:04, 22 July 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete, coverage is mostly from around the crash in June. There is coverage in July. Vici Vidi (talk) 07:51, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per above, WP:NOTNEWS and WP:PLOT. Nothing really notable in this accident to make a standalone article, maybe add a little entry in Kin Avia page?. A lot of pages about incidents that have been recently created would not require a standalone page, but users aren't able to read basic rules of Wiki.--Paolo9999 (talk) 12:11, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment The above Editor has been indefinitely blocked for sockpuppetry....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 20:49, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep thanks to improvements since the nomination. The article appears to be well-written, has a photograph of the aircraft involved, and is a nice summary of an event that did receive sustained coverage (though only just, with one story in July!). NemesisAT (talk) 20:05, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Bungle (talk • contribs) 19:10, 27 July 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Relisting this as it is hard to determine whether some of the early contributions came in before the "improvements", and then subsequently, if these "improvements" have altered the consensus. I'm hopeful that another seven days will allow consensus to be achieved either way.
 * Comment -- WP:PLOT? Can you elaborate further?   I'm pretty sure none of the listed bullet points at that link even vaguely apply here.  RecycledPixels (talk) 01:11, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
 * "Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information". We can't add every aviation accident and incident on Wikipedia, especially if it is a minor one like this.--Paolo9999 (talk) 21:44, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Not related, but for example this one too should be put on deletion in my opinion: how can a general aviation accident be considered encyclopedic just because there were 9 deaths?--Paolo9999 (talk) 21:47, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
 * A general aviation accident with 14 deaths was deleted here....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 14:24, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Neutral - Striking my original keep opinion above.  I'm not seeing much in the way of sustained coverage of the accident, although I think it's too early to definitively determine that.   The coverage about the protests that I mentioned in my original response seems to have been limited to a publicity stunt and a press release, then the organization resumed its normal routine of criticizing everything about the government without much in the way of follow-through so far.   I searched for more recent coverage and wasn't able to find any since the last time I looked.  I think it's too recent to delete based on an overall lack of ongoing coverage, but I have a hunch that not more will materialize.  Cargo plane crashes aren't known for long-lasting news coverage.   RecycledPixels (talk) 19:39, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep as WP:HEYMANN. The article has improved since nomination and there are now several apparently-reliable sources. Eggishorn  (talk) (contrib) 03:48, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Tiny Keep Already have some same-size article around Wikipedia, this article need to be written more longer. And Kin Avia page also need to be wrote, cuz it's a large cargo aviation company in DRC.111.71.213.202 (talk) 07:37, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Striking loutsock vote, see Special:Diff/1037075476. --Blablubbs (talk) 10:54, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. Besides the issue of sock puppetry in the article, this is a crash of a small (6,600 kg max take off weight) cargo plane. There was coverage back in June, for a news cycle, but there is no sustained coverage from July onward.-- Eostrix  (&#x1F989; hoot hoot&#x1F989;) 07:54, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 20:49, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * In my opinion it remains a delete, even with the improvements it is a minor accident of a small plane (as Eostrix said above).--Paolo9999 (talk) 13:35, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete and carry a summary into Kavumu Airport in the Accidents and Incidents section. A standalone article is not needed for reasons already mentioned by several folks above. LizardJr8 (talk) 22:11, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree that Kavumu Airport is a good place for this material. Geschichte (talk) 12:34, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. Coverage is substantial as a result of significant impacts. Meets the WP:GNG. gidonb (talk) 00:33, 11 August 2021 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.