Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2021 Penn State Nittany Lions men's soccer team


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The result was delete with no prejudice against a redirect. The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい ) 12:16, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

2021 Penn State Nittany Lions men's soccer team

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Fails collegiate sport season notability guideline at WP:NSEASONS. No evidence of season's notability, which is currently ongoing, and in my opinion borders on both WP:CRYSTAL/WP:TOOSOON and WP:NOSTATS. Similar case as 2021 Ohio State Buckeyes men's soccer team AfD. GauchoDude (talk) 20:13, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 20:19, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Pennsylvania-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 20:19, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 20:48, 14 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep. Not sure what is going on here, you have nuked about 50 pages in relation to college soccer in the last days and since I reverted your nuke on this page you have nominated for AFD. As for notability guideline at WP:NSEASONS I would argue Penn State men's soccer falls into the "programs considered elite", They have 11 national championships and are consistently ranked in the top 25 in coaches polls. This is definitely not WP:CRYSTAL, there are not projections and only announced dates/games as well as current standings. I don't believe it is WP:TOOSOON either since the season is being played not to be played, and as stated before the article has other evidence of notability. The only thing I could see this being is WP:NOSTATS which can be edited and changed. There are tons of articles about this season already that could be added to this page. In closing, I would say do not delete it makes not sense when they could simply make the NCAA tournament and then this page fully passes WP:NSEASONS without question. NoahRiffe (talk) 21:16, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete - no evidence of notability, one of many college soccer seasons - we are an encyclopaedia, not a sports almanac. GiantSnowman 11:43, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Question – Curious why this and Ohio State got nominated for deletion and not redirected like all the pages in the ACC? I had created all the pages there, and was keeping them updated as the season goes along and I understand WP:NSEASONS requires the team to make the NCAA tournament before a page is created.  Therefore shouldn't this page be re-directed for now?  Swimmer33 (talk) 17:45, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * From the article history, it looks like User:GauchoDude did redirect but User:NoahRiffe reverted it, hence why it got brought here. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 18:27, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the clarification. I guess it just came as a surprise to me that all the pages got redirected when I have created these pages for men's college soccer and women's college soccer for a few years as you can see from my user box.  Caught me off guard that the pages have been reviewed and approved for 4 years and then all of the sudden one Friday night half of them are redirected without warning. Swimmer33 (talk) 18:40, 15 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete Non-notable.   scope_creep Talk  19:11, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete or Redirect – I'm going to steal the explanation from User:Jay eyem at the previously mentioned Ohio State AFD: "WP:TOOSOON, typically we wait to see if a team has made the NCAA Division I tournament before that presumption of notability for a college season generally kicks in under WP:NSEASONS, and I don't see anything at present indicating WP:GNG for this particular season. That may change but at present it remains too soon." That reasoning holds true here. Keskkonnakaitse (talk) 19:30, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete or Redirect - I stand by this reasoning for this article as well, but I am also fine with a redirect for now. I am unsure about the argument of this team having an "elite status", especially since I am not familiar with the level of coverage the team receives. I highly doubt it is comparable to the examples given at WP:NSEASONS. A lot of college soccer teams only receive routine coverage from local sources, which is not sufficient for an article. That's generally why we wait until teams make the NCAA Tournament because they usually receive much more significant coverage at that point. Making the tournament absolutely doesn't mean the article is without question, just that there is a stronger case for it. Note that NSEASONS says to weigh the sport itself for college sports; college soccer receives a fraction of the coverage American football does. If there is significant coverage for Penn State soccer about which I am unaware, feel free to provide examples, but I otherwise think deletion or a redirect is the right choice for now. Jay eyem (talk) 03:59, 18 September 2021 (UTC)


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