Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2021 Rust shooting incident


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. This discussion does not appear to have a snowball's chance of succeeding in deletion (2-3/24) or merging (5/24) and an overwhelming majority (17/24) in favour of "keep" as passing notability thresholds. WP:SNOW closing with a side of sauce to prevent further community resources being tied up by this bureaucracy. The SandDoctor Talk 23:14, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

2021 Rust shooting incident

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The information in this article is already located at Rust (upcoming film). This article simply adds "reactions" to the incident (WP:REACTIONS and WP:NOTNEWS). It also fails to add any more information about the incident, which can all fit under #Shooting incident. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 12:11, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

The article can be included in Potential, not just current state. For sure, there will be relevant matters to be included throughout the investigations.--PauloMSimoes (talk) 12:50, 23 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep the accident and the aftermath is arguably more important than the movie itself. it is also unrelated to the movie, it just happened there. Krisztián Pintér (talk) 12:55, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per Krisztián Pintér. More relevant news is likely to come out. Strobilomyces (talk) 13:06, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep, while I understand that reactions to events are usually very short-term and maybe not worthy of an independent article, I feel in this instance it's an exception (not just due to the extensive media coverage, but the longer-term effects of using gun-props on set). I don't think it's suitable to be a sub-section of the movie article but can see a reason to keep it. Not sold on the article title but that is not a big issue right now. Bungle (talk • contribs) 13:27, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NOTNEWS and this essentially being a content fork from the Rust movie article. It is probably WP:TOOSOON to judge the notability of this incident for a stand-alone article. A good barometer is Brandon Lee’s death which does not have a stand-alone article. Age of the internet provides lots of news sources immediately but WP:NOTTEMPORARY and at the moment this is hard to judge. Vladimir.copic (talk) 13:33, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep&mdash; Based on the amount of coverage it has received, this is a significant enough event to merit its own article. Kurtis (talk) 13:35, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge with the film's article, at least for the moment. It might have a greater impact in the future, but we don't know that yet. Mcrsftdog (talk) 13:42, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge with either Alec Baldwin and Rust (upcoming film). As notable as this is I do not think it merits its own article. My argument is that looking at the article for film and tv accidents, these accidents, even when fatal (see The Crow (1994 film) and Midnight Rider (film), don't usually get their own articles, rather are mentioned on the articles of the respective film. It would be best to include a summary of this on Alec Baldwin's page, and putting Template:Main beneath the heading so people are linked to the film's article where they can read it in more detail. Lochglasgowstrathyre (talk) 13:53, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge any content not already there with the film's article, at least for the moment. Possibly a mention on the Baldwin BLP. WP:NOTNEWS and WP:CRYSTAL apply at present. That situation might change, but if and how are unknown. Pincrete (talk) 14:34, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Notable enough due to the coverage it's received 5 albert square (talk) 14:45, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep I agree with 5 albert square here. ImYourTurboLover (talk) 14:58, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep This incident is already far more notable than the film and trying to smudge everything into Baldwins article is not helpful since a lot of this is not directly related to him. If anything maybe the film article should be redirected to this page since its not a finished film and its possible it wont ever be.★Trekker (talk) 15:43, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NOTNEWS.--The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 16:17, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge per above. BattleshipMan (talk) 16:21, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep this accident is important not only for the movie itself, but a major incident in production of movies and accidents in 2021 --Elric63 (talk) 17:02, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
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 * Keep its notable independently of the film, especially in conjunction with the IATSE strike. Considering the investigation the will take place this will become way too long to be just a subsection in the films or Baldwins article. As a side note: should there be a category for "deaths caused by blanks" or "shootings during film/tv shoots" in general? Hutchins' See Also section already contains some so there are definitely enough examples. jonas (talk) 17:17, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * keep in time an article will be warranted. I think at this point It’s a bit premature as the detectives have not said if It’s intentional or an accident. Baldwin claims It’s an accident but anyone would say It’s an accident if they shot someone. I think we all need to wait until the sheriff and DA release their findings --Rrmmll22 (talk) 17:40, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep* I think it will become much more notable over time, especially with recent reports that some of the crew walked off the set due to unsafe working conditions. Oldiesmann (talk) 18:00, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge with Rust (upcoming film) and Halyna Hutchins. I am making this opinion based on The Crow (1994 film) and Brandon Lee. The investigation going forward will likely concentrate on circumstances involving her death and possible safety issues. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 18:18, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Hutchins is not the only person who was shoot in this case.★Trekker (talk) 19:41, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Cautious keep I think this incident is becoming notable enough to merit an article. We also avoid the problem of whether to put the bulk of the information in the article on Rust, Baldwin, or Hutchins.  (BTW, we see the problem with the death of Brandon Lee since there is significant duplication between his biography and the article on the film.) PatGallacher (talk) 19:34, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Strong keep. For a precedent, I would point you to the Wikipedia article Twilight Zone accident, on a 1982 incident which sent shockwaves through the film industry, and resulted in a serious overhaul of safety standards. As with that case, it is highly likely that the legal wranglings and implications of this latest incident will drag on for years. So very much keep. There is currently a relative paucity of verifiable facts on this case; but its importance makes the case for inclusion; and as more facts emerge, I imagine the article will be beefed up considrably. Debonairchap (talk) 19:59, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 19:38, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New Mexico-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 19:38, 23 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Strong keep: I have a very hard time envisioning any possible situation in which this would no longer pass WP:EVENT. Per the guideline: "That an event occurred recently does not in itself make it non-notable." In addition, reporting has already started to emerge placing the event in a broader context of labor conditions on film sets, implying that its significance goes beyond the film or actor involved. Gnomingstuff (talk) 21:02, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I also advise people to consult WP:RAPID, as most of these AfDs would not exist if they had done so. Gnomingstuff (talk) 22:44, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep - The statement that it is already covered in the article on the film is pointless. If the film is completed, that article will expand. If the film is not completed, the film article should be deleted. Sundayclose (talk) 21:08, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep - It deserves a separate article due to its significance. --Egeymi (talk) 21:21, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge with Rust (upcoming film) due to WP:NOTNEWS. Techpriest Dominus (talk) 22:31, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Certainly satisifies WP:GNG, this incident is more notable that the film. Hughesdarren (talk) 23:06, 23 October 2021 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.