Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2021 World Baseball Classic


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The result was redirect to World Baseball Classic. North America1000 22:20, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

2021 World Baseball Classic

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WP:NOTCRYSTALBALL As the article itself says: "The 2021 World Baseball Classic has not been discussed yet." I'm fine with a speedy deletion. Or any other solution - a redirect, userfy, draft space article? - that addresses the issue. Shirt58 (talk) 09:21, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Redirect as a logical suggestion. Lourdes  06:21, 7 March 2017 (UTC) Delete . May have perhaps been speedied as no content. Can be done even now.  Lourdes  09:36, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:TOOSOON. Looks like a quadrennial tournament which will (likely but not definitely) occur in 2021. Retrospective tournaments have articles so this tournament can be recreated when it becomes more suitable to the time. Ajf773 (talk) 10:12, 2 March 2017 (UTC). Vote changed to Redirect to World Baseball Classic as it seems logical. Ajf773 (talk) 17:43, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 14:52, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Baseball-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 14:52, 2 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete Apart from WP:TOOSOON one sentence saying it is a topic that has not been discussed does not make for an article.Dunarc (talk) 15:32, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete as WP:TOOSOON. How sure are we that it will be held in 2021 and not another year? – Muboshgu (talk) 18:42, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Redirect to World Baseball Classic. – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 10:14, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Redirect to World Baseball Classic, as it is usually done with other "too soon" league articles. Asturkian (talk) 14:21, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Redirect to World Baseball Classic as a reasonable search term. ansh 666 05:57, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Redirect certainly a reasonable search term. Lepricavark (talk) 14:17, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Redirect Here is an RS which states unless the tournament brings in enough revenue it wont return in 2021 . Based on that, until it actually is officially announced it shouldn't have a page. -  Galatz Talk  16:54, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment If the tournament were to be confirmed, the page could easily be expanded quickly. For example, Israel as of right now is the first team to automatically qualify based on their performance this year. By weeks end we will know of 12 qualified teams. -  Galatz Talk  17:50, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Do we have a source saying they'll definitely use the same qualification process in 2021 as this year? Tne 2017 article seems to assume that, but without reliable sources saying they'll do that and not expand qualifying or something, I'd be reluctant for 2021 to have an independent article. And as I recall, it was several years after 2013 before they made an official announcement on the qualification process for this year. If there's nothing definitive, it should be redirected per above. If there are reliable sources saying that's definitely the qualification process that will be used, that's sufficient for a keep. I haven't seen anything official yet, though, only things that just assume they'll use the same process. Holding off a formal vote for now pending investigation of this. Also, the source above is just speculation that the tournament will be canceled without enough revenue, not an official statement from MLB or the IBAF. Smartyllama (talk) 18:08, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
 * SB Nation is saying the top 3 teams in each qualify for the tournament in 2021 . It is statistically impossible for Israel to finish in 4th place since there is no way all 4 teams could be 2-1. Therefore per WP:CALC we can state, using SB Nation's criteria that they have qualified. -  Galatz Talk  18:30, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment It looks like this article is a redirect already. This discussion should be closed, and if anyone thinks it should be deleted, or become a full article, they can take it to WP:RFD. This is not the right forum. Smartyllama (talk) 18:13, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
 * It was redirected after the discussion started, so this is still valid. ansh 666 19:06, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm un-redirecting it so this can continue. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:33, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I updated the article slightly, since it had no use in its old format. I'd assume we'd want to keep the article, since teams are qualifying for the tournament through the current tournament, even though there's a chance it may not return. SportingFlyer (talk) 08:00, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Redirect until we're sure this is happening and we get an official announcement on the qualifying format (as opposed to just sources assuming we'll see the same format again, which they did four years ago as well even though there wasn't an official announcement for some time after that.) The edit history will prove useful in recreating it at that time, and even if it's canceled in the end, it's still a plausible search term and should be redirected. (See 1942 FIFA World Cup and 1946 FIFA World Cup) See also Articles for deletion/2017 World Baseball Classic, which was closed as redirect in July of 2013. Smartyllama (talk) 13:59, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment If you see here, the page for 2017 that was redirected looked basically like the current one does now. -  Galatz Talk  17:02, 9 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Mine is conditional: Keep if we can find a source confirming the qualified teams for 2021, as then this will be noteworthy. However, I can't find any on the official website, so for now I'd Redirect and update the 2017 page to remove all references to 2021 qualification. Lots of journalism which assumes third place qualifies. SportingFlyer (talk) 02:56, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment In theory, we could put a template on the page similar to that at 2017 FIFA Club World Cup and 2018 FIFA Club World Cup that states it is based on the current format and is subject to change. Whether we should is a matter for discussion, but there's precedent for doing so. Of course, as mentioned above with the AfD back in 2013 for this year's edition, there's also precedent for not doing so. It's also worth noting that the 2017 and 2018 Club World Cups have a confirmed host, which is generally considered sufficient to create the article, while the 2021 WBC does not. And criteria for including information in the article are not the same as criteria for having the article in the first place. Smartyllama (talk) 16:21, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Redirect to World Baseball Classic.  JTP (talk • contribs) 17:39, 9 March 2017 (UTC)


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