Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2021 World Championships in Athletics


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The result was keep per WP:SNOW. (non-admin closure) Kraxler (talk) 00:19, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

2021 World Championships in Athletics

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WP:TOOSOON and WP:CRYSTAL. This event is still six years away. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 11:53, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep - The meet may be 6 years away, but just like an Olympic bid city, the location has gone through tha process and a site has been named. The article will only continue to grow, there is no chance of the article losing significance over time.  Even if the bid is somehow revoked in the future, a disastrous scenario for Eugene, it will be major news having already gone to this point.  This is permanently notable as of April 2015 when the site was named. Trackinfo (talk) 11:58, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. Toffanin (talk) 13:06, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. Toffanin (talk) 13:06, 29 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep. Additional sources to those in the article are:   . This will undoubtedly receive a large amount of news coverage in the future. If it's on the edge currently, it is overly bureaucratic to delete it only to bring it back in a few months or a year. Either way, I think it passes WP:GNG now based on substantial coverage in national reliable sources such as the NY Times. ~ RobTalk 13:50, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep, I frankly couldn't tell whether you meant to be serious. Such events take years of planning, and the expenditure of vast sums of public money.  And yet you can always count on some over-ethusiastic deletionist arguing for their deletion, improperly claiming the authority of WP:CRYSTAL.  Even if an incredible disaster made it impossible for Eugene to host these games, and no other nation stepped forward, these games would still be worthy of an article.  Geo Swan (talk) 14:27, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * See Articles for deletion/2015 Pan American Games
 * . First of all don't violate WP:CIVIL at AFD. Second of all, future sporting events have been deleted regularly. Here is one example, and noone was questioning whether F1 will still be around a decade later. More recently, 2022 Ryder Cup was deleted....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 15:03, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I looked at WP:Articles for deletion/2014 Formula One season. Surely, if you wanted to be fair, you would have asked us to look at WP:Articles for deletion/2014 Formula One season (2nd nomination).  Perhaps the reason you didn't is that the closing admin closed it as "keep", writing: "...the consensus seems to be that enough information is known to satisfy CRYSTAL."  Isn't that really the fair comparison, for the current state of this article, where notable milestones -- like the choice of city, have already been documented?  This point has been raised before, and you chose not to address it, so I am going to repeat that question again.  Haven't notable milestones already been documented?  Don't the inclusion of references that document notable milestones make WP:CRYSTAL completely irrelevant?  Geo Swan (talk) 02:39, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
 * , you cited the deletion outcome at WP:Articles for deletion/2014 Formula One season as a justification for the deletion of this article -- as if that article, and this article, were at the same stage of development. I requested that the deleted revisions be grafted to the beginning of 2014 Formula One season.  An administrator did restore that history, and I think his comment is meaningful here Done, though I don't think it will help. The version deleted at AfD was a one-liner...  So, just to spell things out -- the two articles aren't comparable, and I think your example has been proven totally irrelevant.  Geo Swan (talk) 16:29, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The difference being that there was no coverage of the 2014 F1 season in 2010. There is substantial coverage of this event now. ~ RobTalk 15:23, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 00:01, 30 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep per WP:CRYSTAL - "Individual scheduled or expected future events should be included only if the event is notable and almost certain to take place"  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 08:28, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Week keep - I think two cycles into the future is about right for article creation for future championship events. The IAAF championships are biennial (i.e., are held every two years), and they alternate between outdoor world championships held in odd-numbered years, and indoor world championships held in even-numbered years. Are these AfDs being held now "frivolous and time-wasting" as suggested by Geo Swan above?  No, not at all -- we just deleted a future events article for the 2032 Summer Olympics, and the Olympics are a heck of lot more significant on the world stage than the IAAF or FINA championships.  We're simply going through the process of determining what's reasonable in terms of article creation for future sports events.  The fundamental takeaway is that we should be very cautious about creating articles for events more than six to eight years in advance, and for world sports events below the Olympics there is not nearly the advance coverage that might justify a stand-alone Wikipedia article.  If this AfD were for the 2023 IAAF championships, my !vote would be "delete" - WP:TOOSOON.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 01:27, 1 September 2015 (UTC)


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