Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2022–23 Liga Leumit


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Nomination withdrawn. Liz Read! Talk! 22:32, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

2022–23 Liga Leumit

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Completely unsourced, moved to draft but moved back without improvement by its creator. Should be draftified until it is properly sourced. Mccapra (talk) 19:55, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Football and Israel. Mccapra (talk) 19:55, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Draftify Definitely not suitable for mainspace in its current state. I'm not actually sure if the individual seasons are notable; all appear to be unsourced or poorly sourced. Ovinus (talk) 04:57, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Draftify In it’s current state, it shouldn’t be in mainspace. Draftify will allow the user/s to improve and expand the article, and then we can review this again in the future if necessary. Fats40boy11 (talk) 09:06, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi Fats40boy11, it's just not how these hundreds of articles roll. They start with little information at the beginning of the season and add information every week as the season advances. This is NOT the type of article that is a candidate for the draft space. gidonb (talk) 21:36, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi @Gidonb. I understand these points, and I am certain it will be back on mainspace if draftified and then improved. There is no need to rush it to get it to mainspace. However, I see you have started adding references to the article, which is a start.
 * That being said, there is obviously no argument over notability. Despite this, at the time of my comment, the only source was Soccerway which of course is not enough for an article. As I’ve said, this has started to change but we need sources for articles, no matter how early in the season.
 * However, I will remove my !vote and will leave a comment down below. I will also hold off on voting for now. Fats40boy11 (talk) 06:09, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I'm glad you like the references. This is just not the type of article you would expect to find in the draft space. It's really odd that it got there once, let alone that it will get there twice. All season articles are work in progress for an entire year. gidonb (talk)


 * Keep. Clearly notable. We should allow other editors to do their work! Surprised that this was nominated. gidonb (talk) 15:19, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Per WP:ATD-I: Recently created articles that have potential, but that do not yet meet Wikipedia's quality standards, may be moved to the draft namespace ("draftified") for improvement, with the aim of eventually moving them back to the main namespace, optionally via the articles for creation (AfC) process. IMO, better to draftify and keep it out of mainspace for now than to keep letting these unsourced articles (2021–22 Liga Leumit, etc.) pile up; no one has made an attempt at sourcing them. I would, but I don't speak Hebrew. Once sourced, there is very little friction to move to mainspace—that's the point. Presumably the creator can explain where they found the information for these articles. Ovinus (talk) 18:56, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
 * What we "may" do does not replace thinking or responsibility on anyone's part. Not everything that we may do, is wise to do. We have 100 or so articles like this on Wikipedia at the beginning of each sports season. Why are we singling out an important Israeli league and obstructing the very welcome edits by very welcome contributors while making UNFOUNDED comments about its notability? This AfD is a total waste of time. There is tons of work to do in the article space! gidonb (talk) 19:12, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Fair enough; I’ve struck my !vote. Ovinus (talk) 19:28, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Ovinus! gidonb (talk) 19:34, 5 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 19:27, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Draftify unless it is improved (first thing - sources!). If anybody gives it a go please ping me so I can re-consider. GiantSnowman 19:30, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment There is no debate over notability or anything like that. Sources have started to have been added, which is a positive step. However, I think there are more improvements that need to be made, so will hold off my !vote for now and will review the article later today or tomorrow. Fats40boy11 (talk) 06:19, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
 * It's still a very unreasonable expectation. These season articles take a whole year to develop. Here out of hundreds of articles a major league in which Jews and Arabs play peacefully side by side was singled out in what has the APPEARANCE of Israeli exceptionalism. I say this with sadness. I really tried to find other such leagues that are nominated -- there are hundreds of such articles and all are very much evolving articles at the beginning of a sports season -- and there are litterally ZERO others nominated. gidonb (talk) 14:12, 6 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep. This league receives daily coverage in Israeli newspapers, including preparations for the upcoming season.Researcher (Hebrew: חוקרת) (talk) 07:28, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Withdraw as sources have been added there’s no longer any need to send this to draft. Mccapra (talk) 07:47, 9 August 2022 (UTC)


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