Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2022 Þingvallavatn air crash


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The result was delete. ✗ plicit  13:53, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

2022 Þingvallavatn air crash

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General aviation accidents are rarely notable unless someone WP notable is on board. WP:NOTNEWS. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 11:21, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 11:21, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
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 * Keep passes WP:GNG with significant coverage in every major national publication in Iceland. General aviation accidents in Iceland, even when there is fatalities, rarely get the coverage that this accident is getting in all major national news publications, including Morgunblaðið, Vísir.is,Fréttablaðið and RÚV. The pilot of the plane was a well known aviatior in Iceland, with an article in the Washington Post stating "The pilot, Haraldur Diego, 49, was considered one of Iceland’s most prominent aviators [..]".. In short, it has had a widespread national impact and has been very widely covered in diverse sources. Alvaldi (talk) 11:51, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Here are articles from CNN, CBS News and the Washington Post about the crash and one of the passengers, skateboarder and filmmaker Josh Neuman. Alvaldi (talk) 16:23, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
 * The crash has also been covereded extensively in the Dutch major publication De Telegraaf Alvaldi (talk) 18:03, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
 * The accident and rescue operations now have around 150 stories in the top four major news publications in Iceland (Morgunblaðið, Vísir.is, RÚV and Fréttablaðið - Bundles of the articles from the first three can be found here, , ). It has been featured on the frontpage of the print edition on Morgunblaðið five seperate times and three times on Fréttablaðið (main image). Alvaldi (talk) 18:44, 10 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete - as per WP:NOTNEWSPAPER. Just another routine light aircraft accident, one of thousands that happen globally each year. This was a Cessna 172 and probably 10,000 of the 44,000 built have crashed since they were introduced in 1955. It is WP:RUNOFTHEMILL and we aren't going to have articles on all of them. No notable people (with bios on Wikipedia) were involved and there are no WP:LASTING effects, not likely to produce any changes in maintenance procedures, ATC procedures, Airworthiness Directives or anything else. - Ahunt (talk) 22:18, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NOTNEWS. A YouTuber (who doesn't even have an article, as do none of the other victims) among the dead doesn't automatically make this story notable. sixty nine   • whaddya want? •  22:46, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment  1) Run of the mills accidents don't get over 100 articles about them in major national publications over a five day span. 2) Not having an article on Wikipedia has no bearing on whether a person is notable or not. Non notable persons usually don´t get their name in the headline on accident articles on CNN, Washington Post, CBS News, Fox News, NPR, The Guardian, The Independent and Sky News 3) The accident happened five days ago so WP:LASTING hardly applies. Furthermore, WP:LASTING itself states It may take weeks or months to determine whether or not an event has a lasting effect. This does not, however, mean recent events with unproven lasting effect are automatically non-notable. 4) It already passes Notability (events) as it as they have widespread (national or international) impact and were very widely covered in diverse sources[..] as can easily been seen with the amount of coverage it is recieving. Did either of you go through the sources? Alvaldi (talk) 22:50, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment Did either of you go through the sources? - yes, I did, but it doesn't matter. News services jump all over plane crashes with tons of sensationalistic coverage. So what? Wikipedia doesn't. That is why we have policies like WP:NOTNEWS and WP:LASTING, to specifically filter out sensationalistic press stories with no lasting effects, exactly like this accident. There are around 10,000 light aircraft crashes a year globally, most years, almost all just like this one: no notable people involved and no lasting effects. We aren't going to have a breathless Wikipedia article on each one, in the same way that we don't report every car accident, bicycle or bus accident. - Ahunt (talk) 23:04, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment What said. It's another small-aircraft crash, which always receive heavy media coverage but are just as quickly forgotten, and this incident will be no exception. Being "one of Iceland's most prominent aviators" is a small niche that doesn't make this particular tragedy worthy of being on Wikipedia, especially since said "prominent" aviator does not have an article.  sixty nine   • whaddya want? •  00:13, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Can either of you point to any non-notable small-aircraft crash that has received similar coverage as this one? And claiming that the coverage about the accident in the Icelandic media is "sensationalistic press stories" pretty much makes me believe that you didn't read them. And regarding the aviator (the one that the New York Times called "Celebrated Aviator" in the headline of its article), can you point to any official Wikipedia policy that states that a person is non-notable unless they have an article on Wikipedia? Alvaldi (talk) 08:57, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Don't bludgeon the process - Ahunt (talk) 19:58, 9 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete - Per WP:NOTNEWSPAPER, WP:RUNOFTHEMILL and WP:LASTING. I also removed this from the Cessna 172 article with the edit summary, "most small aircraft crashes are not notable, and neither named person has a Wikipedia article". That applies even more to a separate article. (Please beware of WP:BLUDGEONING, as I'm not going to respond to every picked nit.) BilCat (talk) 23:36, 8 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Note: Notification of the existence of this AfD has been made at WikiProject Aviation and WikiProject Aircraft, within whose scope this article falls. - Ahunt (talk) 18:28, 10 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete - WP:NOTNEWS Jauerbackdude?/dude. 18:38, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete - WP:NotNews cautions that "Wikipedia considers the enduring notability of persons and events" - ie where is the long term significance in this crash that justifies retention? As WP:Notability says "Many events portrayed by the media as major on the day they occur quickly become only a footnote". Not surprising that coverage in Iceland itself is high but where is and will be the impact further afield. GraemeLeggett (talk) 19:40, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment - I'm not sure in this case that WP:LASTING is a valid argument for deletion as this accident has only just happened. It does appear that fatal light aircraft crashes while common around the world are relatively rare events in Iceland attracting significant and broad coverage. There is also this AFD which probably doesnt warrant its own article either. Perhaps an alternative to deletion would be the creation of a sortable "List of deadliest air crashes in Iceland" or similar, retaining some key info about both accidents. If should something come out of the investigation that demonstrates a lasting impact, it could later be expanded into a separate article? Dfadden (talk) 02:46, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete - While I think it's too early for WP:LASTING to be a valid argument, this article fails every relevant notability guideline as well as WP:NOTNEWS. - ZLEA  T \ C 04:23, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete - wp:aircrash.--Marc Lacoste (talk) 06:38, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete - light aircraft crashes are rarely noteworthy and I dont see anything in the article that takes this over the bar for a mention in wikipedia never mind an article. MilborneOne (talk) 09:48, 12 February 2022 (UTC)


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