Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2023 Buldhana bus accident


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Liz Read! Talk! 06:33, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

2023 Buldhana bus accident

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Fails WP:NEVENT. No lasting impact, was resolved very soon after the incident. All sources say the same thing, so the coverage, albeit present in various news outlets, is not in-depth or diverse. Anarchyte ( talk ) 04:43, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete, I tend to take the same view when it comes to similarly tragic news reports, however sad, that ultimately fail WP:NOTNEWS. Although being too soon to determine if there will be any lasting impact or notability, early indications wouldn't suggest anything other than present coverage only. It's usually common practice to wait a little while longer though before nominating. Bungle (talk • contribs) 06:25, 4 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep: This is not just a random road accident in India that occurs every day. The accident resulted in the death of 25 people. It is one of the worst bus accidents in the Maharashtra state in the recent years making it a significant event. According to WP:EVENTCRITERIA and WP:COVERAGE, events are also very likely to be notable if they have widespread (national or international) impact and were very widely covered in diverse sources, especially if also re-analyzed afterwards. The accident was widely covered across all the major national medias. It was even analysed and discussed on the sunday special edition of some newspapers. Accidents resulting in the death toll of double digit number is considered as a significant event. Passes our WP:EVENT criteria. Thilsebatti (talk) 07:30, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
 * "especially if also re-analyzed afterwards" -- WP:CRYSTAL. We cannot know whether this will have a lasting effect because it's only been four days. Anarchyte  ( talk ) 14:49, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Events, Transportation,  and Maharashtra.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 08:23, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per Thilsebatti. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:25, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per Thilsebatti. This resulted in 25 deaths. It is clearly notable. Besides it has got international coverage implying that it is not just a routine incident . 117.254.34.205 (talk) 13:31, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NOTNEWS. Keep !voters are incorrectly counting primary sources toward coverage and incorrectly presenting the number of casualties as a factor toward notability. This fails WP:LASTING as it has yet to produce any independently notable effects, and it fails WP:GEOSCOPE as it has not had a demonstrable long-term impact on a significant region of the world or a significant widespread societal group. Thebiguglyalien  ( talk ) 14:18, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
 * This passes WP:LASTING. See the latest report . The Maharashtra Motor Vehicle Department has requested the Automotive Research Association of India (ARAI) to conduct a thorough review of the design and safety measures implemented in sleeper coach buses. The move came after the last week's horrific tragedy on the Samruddhi Expressway where a sleeper coach bus caught fire causing the death of 25 passengers. This is a lasting effect enough to pass WP:LASTING. Also refer to . Another report published yesterday. 117.254.35.28 (talk) 08:54, 5 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete - There are 7k results so there's certainly a lot of traction with this however as pointed out above there's been no global coverage apart from AlJazeera. It's caused a storm in India for sure but outside of India there's not been nothing. Fails NOTNEWS and to some extent WP:LASTING. – Davey 2010 Talk 20:08, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Totally disagree with you. Why are we talking about global coverage when we have more than enough national coverage. WP:EVENTCRITERIA says national or international. But to satisfy you, let me add more international coverage. What about these from Reuters and The Guardian, . Random crashes in India are often not covered by Al Jazeera, Reuters, or The Guardian because they don't generally care. This accident was well covered in major Indian newspapers such as The Hindu and The Indian Express. These newspapers even had special coverage about this accident;discussing its cause and after effects.  What I feel here is that it is not possible to have article about an event in wikipedia unless it is covered in some western medias. I have already shown coverage from 3 international publications. I think it is more than enough to keep this article 117.254.35.28 (talk) 08:50, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep - Both the Guardian and Reuters didn't show at that time otherwise I would've !voted keep, I certainly agree with your points and had mentioned that above re traction. My understanding is that there should be more than just WP:LOCAL coverage however in this case as you've kindly proven there is indeed national coverage so I'm happy to keep this. Thanks, – Davey 2010 Talk 16:06, 5 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep per ready available sources and Thilsebatti. gidonb (talk) 00:20, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep for now This nomination seems like a violation of WP:RAPID. It appears that there are investigations that'll help determine whether or not there's lasting notability. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 08:59, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
 * This was broadly the view I expressed above, in that it's usually common to wait a little while before nominating these kind of articles. Typically it seems these articles are kept because the event "may" become notable in time, although we are asked to !vote on whether the subject of an article is notable right now. Bungle (talk • contribs) 17:02, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep for now. Not sure if there's a Wikipedia policy covering "Too soon to delete". If there isn't, perhaps there should be. Ah, yes, indeed there is — thanks Blaylockjam10 for pointing out WP:RAPID, which I hadn't seen deployed at AfD till now. Although within the remit of WP:NOTNEWS this is a major, widely reported incident with some international coverage. Should be kept for now and re-evaluated at a later date. Rupples (talk) 02:17, 9 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep. Guardian coverage and others make it big enough, I think. Deckkohl (talk) 10:56, 10 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep per above, should have enough to support for inclusion. Similar case to 2023 Kericho truck crash. - Indefensible (talk) 04:58, 11 July 2023 (UTC)


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