Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2023 NCHC Tournament


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. The arguments to delete are stronger, but not enough so that I feel comfortable overruling both the numerical majority and the previous admins who did not see enough consensus to close this. I urge editors arguing to keep such pages to focus on the substance (sources counting toward GNG) rather than procedural detail (such as NOTCLEANUP, which is really only applicable as a counter to arguments that ignore GNG, and is not relevant when GNG has not been demonstrated). No prejudice against speedy renomination. Vanamonde (Talk) 18:17, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

2023 NCHC Tournament

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This topic lacks sufficient citations and coverage to meet the GNG. Pbritti (talk) 21:03, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ice hockey-related deletion discussions. Pbritti (talk) 21:03, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Events and Minnesota.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 21:07, 12 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Do you realize that this is an ongoing event and much what will be referenced has either just happened or not yet occurred? Don't be so quick with the deletion request for something that's an annual event. PensRule11385 (talk) 21:10, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

Relisting comment: If sources offering SIGCOV exist, please mention them, specifically, in this AFD discussion. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 21:10, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep : An on-going event that is already the subject of some media coverage (read these two recent sources about the event 1 and 2). More likely to be notable per WP:EVENT; we should wait until the tournament concludes. AmshitBalcon (talk) 21:49, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment While there are sources that reference individual teams in the tournament, no sources that explicitly address the tournament have been added to the article yet. The article was converted to redirect before that was undone by the page creator. PensRule11385 would benefit from a less confrontational approach; I created this AfD simply to encourage protocol. ~ Pbritti (talk) 22:10, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep: DetroitFan7 (talk) 01:10, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep - notability is based on available sources, not just those in the article. And AfD is not for cleanup. Rlendog (talk) 13:26, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete - none of the keep !votes offers any of the in-depth sourcing necessary to meet WP:GNG. A Google News search turned up a single, very short article on one of the games, not the tournament. Onel 5969  TT me 20:27, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Relisting comment: per Liz. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Arbitrarily0   ( talk ) 01:53, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep AfD isn't for demanding cleanup or enforcing protocol. A few minute Google search turned up plenty of in-depth coverage about this event.
 * It is mentioned in Sports Illustrated: https://www.si.com/tv/college-hockey/2023/03/12/st-cloud-state-minnesota-duluth-free-live-stream-college-hockey
 * And ESPN: https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/35748399/ncaa-mens-frozen-four-2023-atlantic-ecac-big-ten-hockey-east-ccha-nchc-tournament
 * Along with in numerous alternative outlets, all the way down to local news. https://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/und-hockey/jackson-blake-named-nchc-rookie-of-the-year
 * I see news updates as the event progresses.
 * This article should be revised, not deleted. There is more than enough sourcing out there to establish notability under Notability (events), showing wide coverage in a diversity of sources.
 * Jo7hs2 (talk) 21:17, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
 * My request wasn't a demand. Other editors will read over the comments here including, eventually, a closer. Unfortunately, the burden falls on editors arguing to Keep an article to either point out existing sources in the article that support GNG or supply previously unknown sources that do. It's not about a demand, it's about presenting a persuasive argument depending on what you want to see happen with this article. Liz Read! Talk! 03:59, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Did you change accounts or is this in reference to a different AfD, I didn’t see you comment here previously so I’m confused. Jo7hs2 (talk) 12:26, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Never mind, brain fart. I wasn’t talking about YOUR request to relist, that was in reference to the nom saying they created the AfD to enforce protocol. The relist is entirely appropriate, there wasn’t consensus, and you gave advice for resolving the question. In fairness, I may have misread nom, as well. Looking at the edit history, the AfD came first, so my comment was unnecessary regardless. Jo7hs2 (talk) 12:27, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Seraphimblade Talk to me 13:01, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment: Article remains insufficiently sourced despite conclusion of tournament. ~ Pbritti (talk) 16:14, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.