Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2023 Saudi Arabia bus crash


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The result was keep. Star  Mississippi  22:40, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

2023 Saudi Arabia bus crash

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WP:NOTNEWS. "While news coverage can be useful source material for encyclopedic topics, most newsworthy events do not qualify for inclusion." Bus crashes, like other traffic accidents, are routine events.  Sandstein  09:02, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Transportation and Saudi Arabia.   Sandstein   09:02, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom - sad, but true. A routine and minor event that has not attracted widespread coverage and is unlikely to result in major change to Saudi law or any other enduring impact (apart from to the victims and their families). Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 09:54, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NOTNEWS. No indication that this sad event will lead to a substantive change in policy or approach in the long run.  SN54129  12:10, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Not a bus crash of significance (has average casualty count and the like).
 * - Knightsoftheswords 281  i.e  Crusader 1096  ( Talk  Contribs  Wikis ) 12:50, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

I would also like to note that there hasn't been any significant governmental, foreign, or public response unlike other incidents. - Knightsoftheswords 281  i.e  Crusader 1096  ( Talk  Contribs  Wikis ) 14:23, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Currently neutral per @DarkSide830 - Knightsoftheswords 281  i.e  Crusader 1096  ( Talk  Contribs  Wikis ) 15:24, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and others ULPS (talk) 12:53, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep The types of sources available, and the breadth and depth of the coverage, indicate to me that this is beyond a mere local news event. -- Jayron 32 13:57, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per Jayron. Additionally, I think the invocation of NOTNEWS here is premature at this juncture. DarkSide830 (talk) 14:59, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep - Although the article might have been created earlier than it should have been, a violation of WP:DELAY does not justify a violation of WP:RAPID. Jayron's and DarkSide's points are valid as well. Son Of The Desert  ( Talk ) 18:14, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 20:19, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep The article has a variety of sources & I don’t see how this bus crash is all that different from the Kaffrine bus crash, the 2023 Lasbela bus crash, the Gualaca bus crash or the 2023 Kallar Kahar bus accident, all of which have articles. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 23:40, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep&mdash;Sure, bus crashes are a type of traffic collision, which is a pretty routine occurrence (unfortunately). But a death toll of 20 people strikes me as being quite a bit higher than average, and the implications it holds for Saudi Arabia's management of the Hajj gives the event an added significance that I feel merits a full article. Kurtis (talk) 02:41, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep NOTNEWS doesn't apply here; there's nothing routine about a crash that killed 20 people. Pawnkingthree (talk) 22:44, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Strong keep. Bus crashes are just that, accidents involving a bus. But with 20 people killed in such an event? That's not your usual bus crash, that's a tragedy. Especially when the deceased victims were all umrah pilgrims on their way to Mecca.  Hansen Sebastian Talk 17:39, 1 April 2023 (UTC)


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