Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2023 World Series of Poker Online


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__ to World Series of Poker (WP:ATD). Clear consensus below not to retain the article, and some support for a redirect but crucially, no opposition from those advocating 'delete'. Please feel free to re-target the redirect to another article/section of article if any editor wishes to do so. Daniel (talk) 00:59, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

2023 World Series of Poker Online

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Incomplete article, disputed draftification, unreferenced. The event was to conclude on 2 October, so why is it in this state with blank tables? Not suitable for mainspace. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 19:46, 24 October 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 21:39, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Events, Games,  and Internet.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 20:17, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete - Unreferenced articles should be draftified or deleted. The history of this one seems to be of gaming the system to get an article, and not finishing it, so it might as well either be started over, or not started over.  Robert McClenon (talk) 20:21, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Draftify the main contributor, User:Officially Mr X, was already open to it being draftified. It definitely should not have been put into the mainspace. Though I'm sure it could actually turn up some sources, there are not nearly enough for its own article at this time. Conyo14 (talk) 22:33, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep - as per previous seasons, this is a useful and relevant article to keep - we can fill in any missing information in the near future, but even the amount of information currently listed is very useful, and covers the most important information. Let's just make it public and move on - I don't think it's worth discussing at length. Officially Mr X (talk) 13:04, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Draftify - WP:AFDISNOTCLEANUP but the article as of right now is definitely not ready for mainspace. – The Grid  ( talk )  16:29, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
 * @The Grid, if you want the article cleaned up, then it needs to stay in the mainspace. m:Research:Wikipedia article creation and m:Research:AfC processes and productivity indicate that the draftspace is where articles go to die.  In the mainspace, people see what needs doing and do it.  In the draftspace, nobody cares.
 * The standard for getting an article out of draftspace isn't whether the article is WP:FINISHED; it's about whether the article covers a notable subject.  WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:38, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep. See WhatamIdoing's comment about the pitfalls of draftifying. This subject is notable. The deletion policy gives 12 different reasons for deletion -- this article doesn't meet any of them. The edit history shows Officially Mr X has been editing the article off and on through October 23rd. Two days later it was nominated for deletion. I appreciate Mr. X's diligent content creation and I see no need to delete this content -- just keep working on the article.


 * I've tagged it for now with a under construction tag.


 * In the meantime, I suggest just deleting or suppressing the incomplete portions.
 * -- A. B. (talk • contribs • global count) 22:56, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Hey man im josh (talk) 13:08, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Redirect to WSOP until such time as there's sufficient sourcing to merit a standalone article. While the tournament overall is be notable, there's no indication that this edition was. Star   Mississippi  01:10, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Redirect to WSOP - agree with StarMiss (hey!) above. Kazamzam (talk) 11:49, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Protection note, tired of playing whack a sock so I have semi'ed for a week. I did !vote but don't think this is controversial as any autoconfirmed editor remains eligible to participate, and the Talk is available to any legit newbies. Admins, feel free to revert if needed. Star   Mississippi  14:10, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. The World Series overall is notable, not this specific tournament. Cortador (talk) 22:45, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete just an unreferenced list of winners. We don't simply post tournament results in WP. LibStar (talk) 01:19, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
 * redirect to Hobit (talk) 18:17, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment. As it stands, the article is still unsourced. Merely being unsourced is generally not enough to delete an article- WP:NEXIST generally applies except for limited other cases. However, I find it not ideal that an autopatrolled user, who is assigned the right due to a track record of clean article creation, would create an unsourced article that remains unsourced for weeks. Regarding notability, my search mainly found unconvincing results, i.e., a few Forbes contributor articles which are generally unreliable per RSP and other press releases, but there are a few that are borderline. Overall, I am leaning towards deletion or redirection to World Series of Poker as an appropriate alternative to deletion.  VickKiang  (talk)  02:57, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete as simply an indiscriminate collection of information. While it's true that we shouldn't just delete an article because it's unsourced, that nobody has come forward with any sources in almost a month is somewhat telling. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  15:01, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete no reliable sourcing present here or in the article to satisfy WP:NLIST. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 21:14, 16 November 2023 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.