Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/20 Avenue


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. v/r - TP 02:05, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

20 Avenue

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Not a significant street in the borough of Brooklyn. There is absolutely no need to have this article. An IP user who lives in the area removed a speedy deletion template from the article for no apparent reason The Legendary Ranger (talk) 00:55, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. Would that reliable sources give some column inches to this street, but there's no evidence they have. Alessandra Napolitano (talk) 02:15, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. If every subway station in New York City is notable per se, then so the streets on which they are located. Alessandra Napolitano (talk) 06:39, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete, no evidence that the street itself meets WP:GNG. Might be worth a cheap redirect to the disambiguation page 20th Avenue. -- Kinu  t/c 04:27, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 12:24, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 12:24, 22 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep (quickly added to avoid snow close) - Very premature nomination made within a day of article creation. Significant enough to have not one, but two subway stations on two different lines. - 20th Avenue (BMT Sea Beach Line) and 20th Avenue (BMT West End Line). There most certainly is more coverage and I will be updating here. --Oakshade (talk) 02:58, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment: Not every street that has a subway station along its route is notable enough to have an article here. Otherwise, we would have plenty of street articles with one or two sentences saying something like "This street in Queens has one subway station served by the 7 train." There are many streets in New York City that has more than one subway station named after it, including 18th Avenue (BMT Sea Beach Line, BMT West End Line, IND Culver Line), Church Avenue (BMT Brighton Line, IND Culver Line, IRT Nostrand Avenue Line), and Utica Avenue (IND Fulton Street Line, IRT Eastern Parkway Line) in Brooklyn, none of which we have a Wikipedia article of. In Manhattan, many east-west streets have at least four stations named after it and none of them have Wikipedia articles. In The Bronx, most of the stations on the IRT Jerome Avenue Line and IND Concourse Line are on the same streets and none of them have Wikipedia articles either, so what makes 20th Avenue in Brooklyn different? Think about that before you decide to keep this article because it was created by someone who lives there and just wants his street on Wikipedia. The Legendary Ranger (talk) 21:12, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Well those pages will eventually become articles on here. Tinton5 (talk) 21:07, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete: This street is not notable; it has no significant coverage to warrant an article. Acps110 (talk • contribs) 21:24, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. Notable street but could use expansion. Tinton5 (talk) 21:07, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete - Just one of many numbered streets in Brooklyn.  Dough 48  72  01:15, 27 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep Subways are not built on random streets, nor are subway stations so located. They're built where there's an important concentration of commerce (or sometimes, center of a residential area); if they are not so originally, they are consciously intended and planned to develop into one. Why does it happen that the most important cross streets in Manhattan have subway stops? Mere serendipity? Same goes for Brooklyn.  The argument that we don't have articles on many of them is a good indication of our incompleteness--there's still plenty of scope for new editors. Such articles can all be developed beyond one or two lines: there's the subway planning--there's the subsequent development of the area. Most subway history includes discussion about individual stations. The nearest analogy is local rural railroad stations, which played exactly the same role in the previous century. Whether we want to go into streets in more detail than that  I leave for further discussion, but it's odd to see an argument that we should seriously consider whether we want to make articles on something reasonably notable, because someone might want to make articles on something less notable of the same general type. As far as I can tell the evidence that "it was created by someone who just lives there and wanted his street in Wikipedia" is non-existent. (And the ip who removed the deletion tag removed a prod, not a speedy.)  By the way, nobody notified the creator--I just did, belatedly, and I think that;s enough justification for a relisting.    DGG ( talk ) 04:32, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz Humbug! 18:23, 30 November 2011 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.