Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/20th Avenue (Brooklyn) (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect to List of Brooklyn avenues, 1–28. -- Kinu  t/c 21:44, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

20th Avenue (Brooklyn)
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I gave one year to see if the article would expand or any references and sources be added to prove its notability and/or significance to the city and as I suspected, none of that has been done and the article looks exactly the same as it was when it was created in November 2011, a mere duplication of what already exists in its entry in List of Brooklyn avenues, 1-28, albeit in complete sentences. This is why I am renominating it for deletion. 20th Avenue is a secondary road in Brooklyn that fails WP:NTSR and WikiProject U.S. Streets. There is no evidence that it has become synonymous with an industry or organization, was the site of an important historical event, been mentioned by name in a major motion picture, song, television show, or other mainstream media, or subject of a documentary or an article in a major media source. Searching it on Google Books only comes up with directories and magazine entries that only have brief passing mentions. The article's first AfD ended in No Consensus solely due to some editors voting Keep just because two New York City Subway stations are named after the street. This violates our policy of no inherited notability (i.e. the street is inheriting its notability from the stations) and subway stations alone do not determine notability since they are meant to serve their surrounding area, not just one particular street (I doubt everyone who uses the 20th Avenue stations actually live or work on 20th Avenue) and there are scores of other streets in the city that have one, two, even three stations named after them and we do not have articles on them. If every street in the city with a subway station serving it is "notable" for Wikipedia, we would have dozens of short articles by now saying something like Elder Avenue is a one-way residential street in the Bronx served by the IRT Pelham Line or 121st Street is a long, narrow street in Queens served by the BMT Jamaica Line. Also, contrary to what the article states, 20th Avenue is not a major thoroughfare or commercial street. Driving through it on Google Maps shows it is actually mostly residential with small, family owned businesses placed randomly here and there, so it cannot be important beyond to the people who live or work in these buildings and homes. Note that Consensus can change and I have no prejudice against restoring or recreating this article if it gets redirected or deleted should someone find something to prove the street is notable enough to be here. The Legendary Ranger (talk) 02:27, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete. There were no sources in the article when it was nominated for deletion in 2011, there were no sources when the 2011 AfD closed as "no consensus", and there still are no sources in this article. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 03:31, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep Subway stations in NYC are named for prominent streets, and the name is evidence that the streets are in fact prominent. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DGG (talk • contribs)
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 * Redirect to List of Brooklyn avenues, 1–28.  Dough 48  72  17:32, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete per the lack of sources showing notability. The idea that the subway stations alone give this street notability is a classic case of WP:NOTINHERITED, as they are merely being named after the location they are in. No particular objection to a redirect, although the title doesn't seem particularly useful for naviagation. BryanG (talk) 20:54, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, TBrandley (what's up) 01:47, 29 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Redirect as stated above. Eduemoni↑talk↓ </b> 02:00, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Redirect to List of Brooklyn avenues, 1–28 There's a box for information about the street already. I'm not sure about the rational to keep because of subway stations considering they already have their own articles: 20th Avenue (BMT West End Line) and 20th Avenue (BMT Sea Beach Line). Mkdw talk 04:00, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Redirect to List of Brooklyn avenues, 1–28. Notability is WP:NOTINHERITED from the subway. - The Bushranger One ping only 06:02, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.